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Just what *is* an AET round?[message #313779] Wed, 02 January 2013 10:28 Go to next message
Vince7403

 
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So, in our game there exists a type of exotic ammunition called AET rounds, which I believe stands for "accelerated energy transfer". Apparently, the idea is that the projectile's shape encourages the delivery of its kinetic energy into the target all at once. Thus, you get huge entrance wounds but rarely an exit wound.

I've never found any mention of such a thing in any gunsmithing, ballistic theory, or gunshot wound source. Of course, I haven't read everything, and I may not be aware of cutting-edge experimental ordnance. The closest real thing I have heard of would be high-velocity frangible rounds, which basically explode into fragments or even powder on striking something. Is that what they're supposed to be?

I've only ever seen mention of AET rounds in computer games and RPG manuals. Is this just an odd term for something that does exist, perhaps the ultra-low-mass hollowpoints that Marshall and Sanow falsified all that "research" data for? Is it some experimental thing from the past that works but never took off, like caseless ammunition? Is it some experimental thing that's only just recently been developed, like plasma-enhanced gun propellants for artillery?

If they do exist, why are they supposedly so much harder on the weapons they're fired from? Are they running at crazy chamber pressures? Do the bullets have to be made from special alloys that wear out barrels rapidly?

Or is it just a money sink for high-level characters in computer and RPG games?
Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #313780] Wed, 02 January 2013 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Slax

 
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Overpowered mercury slugs? :whoknows:

Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #313781] Wed, 02 January 2013 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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The closest analogue someone found so far are 9mm THV rounds. For the most part, AET was invented to keep SMGs and pistols viable in the spectra dominated lategame however. So ... overpowered mercury slug is as good a description as any Smile
Edit:
Back home and having a much easier time finding stuff:
http://www.cqbservices.com/?page_id=10
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/THV.htm

This stuff really is pretty close to 'our' AET, although perforating heavy armor with ease still is a bit of a stretch. The second page does even mention higher wear for some variants.

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Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #313822] Thu, 03 January 2013 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Slax

 
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We'll have to come up with some neat fluff text in case the encyclopedia ever gets up and running.

"Concocted somewhere in South Africa, a heavily modified French THV round, these babies will tear into anything and stay there for a long time, in a new and rather spacious home. Just what your trusty pistol or sub-gun needs to keep up with the arms race (har har). Power with a high price in more ways than one. Be sure to keep your weapon well maintained or these monsters will rip your gun apart. Really, it's pretty much something you'd expect to find only in a video game, but it's the real deal! Right?"

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Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #314419] Sat, 19 January 2013 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Starwalker

 
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Yes, THV, Monad, and those steel-tipped and steel-jacketed aluminum rounds for the FN P90 and the HK MP7 are summed up as AET (Advanced Energy Transfer) rounds in 1.13.
They are supposed to pierce armor but not a soft target.
Due to their peculiar shape, THV and Monad are detrimental to a gun's health, whereas those aluminum rounds are not (their shape is better suited to feeding in an automatic weapon).

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Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #324008] Thu, 15 August 2013 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fins_T

 
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I'd also imagine that increased pressure and higher muzzle velocities, as described in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_mm_NATO#Russian_military_overpressure_variants , were most likely combined by more than just oh-so-few special force units with 2-part controlled-fragmenting bullets like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_mm_NATO#Other_variants .

Together, these features would be very much like in-game AET ammo: good armor piecring, much increased soft tissue damage after penetrating armor, and significantly increased stress to some most critically important parts of the weapon (due to higher service pressure).

I'd think, though, that in the real world, much information about such ammo types would actually be classified rather well, because if i remember correctly, some international treaties about not making ammunition types which inflict "not nesessary" suffering to soldiers - are in effect. Real-world AET-like ammo may well actually be illegal for use even by any army/special_force, i.e. - being a crime or a war crime, if done.

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Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #326222] Fri, 04 October 2013 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dzidek1983

 
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can i get some info on what ammo gets the AET type? 9mmm and what other?
Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #326223] Fri, 04 October 2013 16:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Should be most/all pistol/SMG calibers as well like .45 or 7.62x25. Take a look into XML Editor to be sure for your version/mod.
Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #330313] Tue, 04 February 2014 18:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthropoid

 
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So is it worth using in the game? Does it tend to confer a noticeable tactical advantage that outweighs the downsides (weapon wear, higher cost and scarcity)?
Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #330336] Wed, 05 February 2014 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pheloncab

 
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Anthropoid
So is it worth using in the game? Does it tend to confer a noticeable tactical advantage that outweighs the downsides (weapon wear, higher cost and scarcity)?


This depends on your Mercs as much as anything. If you have a highly skilled ambidextrous Merc so your wanting to keep in pistol or one handed subs a bit longer (where the enemy has better armor) then definitely its worth it.

I personally also like using it on backup weapons. If my sniper gets a sudden interrupt because of a flanking by the enemy, a sidearm with AET just has that much more killing power.
Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #330450] Sun, 09 February 2014 05:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthropoid

 
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Thank you Phelon. I finally realized I could create my own little crew of 6 custom mercs and most of them came with a 10mm SMG. So I splurged at Bobby's and bought myself a bunch of 10mm AET. Not enough play yet to notice, but I did see one hit where it just tore the guy up.
Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #330464] Sun, 09 February 2014 11:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sidew

 
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A possible example of AET round...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/26/g2r-radically-invasive-projectile-9-part-9mm-segmented-hollow-point/
Re: Just what *is* an AET round?[message #330467] Sun, 09 February 2014 11:43 Go to previous message
DepressivesBrot

 
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No, that's a fancy/scary looking hollow point. I very much doubt this is good at piercing armor, the selling point of our AET rounds.


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