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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319383]
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Sat, 11 May 2013 23:49
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Registered:September 2003 Location: Rocky Point, NC |
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I still hope they reach their goal. But, if they don't I hope they will consider trying again and learning from their mistakes.
I think the the entire campaign is messed up. The tiers are way overpriced for digital download, boxed set and collector's addition. These are priced to high for even preorders and way to high for funding of a game that only exists as "ideas' and "concept art".
But, considering they are way overpriced, they still were able to get close to 4,000 backers with 12 days to go. And hopefully will get enough to be funded.
If they had done this right, not only would they be funded by now, they would probably be getting close to at least the $500,000 mark.
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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319385]
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Sun, 12 May 2013 00:00
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Registered:January 2000 Location: Danubia |
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Guys, I come bearing the best news!
- Andrew Emmons, the lead programmer of JA2, just joined our KS and offered to beta test!
- Eric T. Cheng, tileset artist for JA2 and better known to you as "Dr Q" has contacted FC also yesterday.
- And Flugente, our 1.13 code wizard, has imagined the best ever event for JA:F. Go check the new event here:
Quote:BEAR'S PIT IS MOST PROUD TO PRESENT
From our hearts and with all our love, the best JA:F event ever:
FROM MODDERS TO BACKERS
Get your name in JA:F and we put your name in JA2 v1.13
This event will reward anyone who backed this Kickstarter starting with the new $42 pledge and up with a permanent spot in the history of JA2 and it's greatest mod, v1.13. Your names will be added to the v1.13 official game as brave Queen's army soldiers. You can be a Yellow Shirt and guard the Queen's bars and pubs, you can be a Red Shirt army grunt and fight off pesky rebels and... for the special of you... you can be a much feared Black Shirt Elite!
Depending on your pledge tier you can also customize your soldier's looks and skills. If you want more, read the full details in the event topic here:
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/319379.html
And if you want to say thanks or give us feedback, you have this topic here:
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/319381.html
As for me I personally want to thank Flugente, our v1.13 code wizard, who made this possible and the entire awesome v1.13 team who kept JA2 alive and kicking. I see this event as the best hand-over of generations we could've come up with. And of course, thank YOU all.
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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319408]
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Sun, 12 May 2013 06:28
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Registered:August 2006 Location: Bavaria - Germany |
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Well, what we can see from the other big name popular KS games is, that they manage to mobilize between 20.000 and 80.000 fans/backers.
JA:F struggling to reach 4.000 leads to the following conclusions:
1. The JA fan community is a lot smaller than expected
2. Failing to appeal to the broader masses of non-hardcore fans and gamers equals failure with KS
3. A botched start and suboptimal first impression for a KS campaign is extremely hard to compensate for.
4. In the end, Jagged Alliance seems to remain a niche product for a limited dedicated hardcore fanbase, with not enough appeal to the mass market of gamers. A classical indie game.
5. In order to widen the appeal of the IP and make the name big again, a successful installment or at least spectacular demo is needed first, to draw attention and raise expectations of the crowds.
6. if you want to succeed against such high profile competitors as Wasteland 2, Shadowrun Returns, etc., you
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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319426]
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Sun, 12 May 2013 16:30
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systemfehler |
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Registered:September 2007 Location: Hanover, Germany |
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TwwIXSorry but i am not funding a "game" that has no gameplay footage to show off. Concept and artwork alone does not make a game. If that's all it takes to be labeled as a game developers these days, then you might as well send me the money instead.
This.
And while I actually thought about pledging, I figured I could also buy the game on a Steam sale for 9.99 or something along that a half year later instead of paying 29.99 now. After I have read some reviews and maybe played a demo.
I don't think that Kickstarter implies a lot about the following JA might or might not have. I guess BIA was sold more than 4k times.
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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319428]
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Sun, 12 May 2013 16:45
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Vortexdr |
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Registered:April 2013 |
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TwwIXSorry but i am not funding a "game" that has no gameplay footage to show off. Concept and artwork alone does not make a game. If that's all it takes to be labeled as a game developers these days, then you might as well send me the money instead.
Also, if Frontline Tactics is anything to go by, then i sincerely hope that they don
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Corporal
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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319429]
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Sun, 12 May 2013 17:00
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batanen |
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Registered:May 2013 |
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systemfehlerAnd while I actually thought about pledging, I figured I could also buy the game on a Steam sale for 9.99 or something along that a half year later instead of paying 29.99 now. After I have read some reviews and maybe played a demo.
I don't think that Kickstarter implies a lot about the following JA might or might not have.
The thing is if everyone thinks like this, the game is never made. Or not in the form we/they would like as the studio cannot work independently with us. The more the game gets funded now, the better the end result will be. But of course good if you will support it later. The more the game sells, the closer we'll eventually get to Jagged Alliance 3 (if Full Control can make another game later or get the license to themselves). But I got way ahead of things. This needs to be get funded first!
I do understand your point of view in a sense. I am not a fan of kickstarters or pre-orders (will usually wait the reviews). However, this is something worth for me to support. Have now supported it for $85; and I usually buy games with the price range of max 30
[Updated on: Sun, 12 May 2013 17:17] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319432]
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Sun, 12 May 2013 17:55
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gdalf |
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Registered:May 2013 |
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I'm one of those "soccer dads" FC say they're aiming their games at. I played all the classics through the 90s but my gameplay time permanently dived significantly after 2008 or so (and with long breaks even before then). Other than XCOM, I haven't bought a game at full retail price since BF3 (and the last full retail game before that was the MMO Tabula Rasa, which I bought a collector's edition of), I always wait for the sales. But there are two exceptions - Star Citizen, and now JA:F, because I want to see these games made.
I still have the original JA2 disks and manual and it's the game I've most played in the last 10 years. I can't even remember the number of times I've completed it. While I certainly think the amount I'm pledging is way too much for an actual game and there's no way I'll think the game will ever be so good that I think "I got my money's worth", there's a lot more motivation beyond having the game itself for pledging. They are listening to fans, and they want to do it right. The fact this is going to be a close call means they'll have to listen to us throughout if it gets funded. This is extremely important to me, and I doubt another JA will ever come close to doing this (if ever there is one). Right now I'm thinking I might even grab an $1,800 tier if I like the stretch goals enough.
It's true they need a broader base, but the best reference is to check out the Camelot Unchained charts that didn't look like it was going to make it until the final 24 hours:
They got a crazy number of new backers on the last three days. And they already had one of the highest average pledges ever seen on KS (I think it was something like $140 mid-campaign) - you can't say the surge was from everyone doubling their pledges or something like that. So honestly I think this one will make it, but it will be close.
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