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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318936] Tue, 07 May 2013 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAFTeam

 
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I know. But for the Campaign Wink
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318937] Tue, 07 May 2013 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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JAFTeam
I know. But for the Campaign Wink


I need to get the kid to sleep and the lady watching her soap to clear my mind and come up with some plan for this. Kinda sux not to have you guys to bash, it was much easier. But hey, there's always that sweet time after release...

Mwhahaha...


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318938] Tue, 07 May 2013 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lytinwheedle

 
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I'm glad those differences have been sorted out, I'm still excited that a new JA might be made / funded.

Else there'll just be ten more years of tears.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318939] Tue, 07 May 2013 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nekator

 
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Kinda sux not to have you guys to bash, it was much easier. But hey, there's always that sweet time after release...

Mwhahaha...
Very Happy

Glad that FC and Pit are now working together Smile
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318940] Tue, 07 May 2013 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAFTeam

 
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JAFTeam
I know. But for the Campaign Wink


I need to get the kid to sleep and the lady watching her soap to clear my mind and come up with some plan for this. Kinda sux not to have you guys to bash, it was much easier. But hey, there's always that sweet time after release...

Mwhahaha...


Heh, yeah. And than we'll fix it up until you finally shut the fuck up, eh? Wink Nah, hopefully that won't be needed.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318942] Tue, 07 May 2013 22:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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JAFTeam

Heh, yeah. And than we'll fix it up until you finally shut the fuck up, eh? Wink Nah, hopefully that won't be needed.


There're only so few things in life that are certain. Death. My bitching when you fuck up. Stuff like that... :computer2:

Now let me think what we can actually about the remaning 150k. Blackmailing Chris about keeping the secret on who is actually Gumpy would work? Or you already used up that one when he signed up?

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318943] Tue, 07 May 2013 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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Who do you think went for the 10k tier Wink


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318944] Tue, 07 May 2013 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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DepressivesBrot
Who do you think went for the 10k tier Wink


lol, i thought it was Notch, but who knows if Notch isn't really Gumpy, right?


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318945] Tue, 07 May 2013 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So the new meme is the bear, right? Hope we'll get far enough to announce the next sector.


You know, a sector with a bear

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318946] Tue, 07 May 2013 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAFTeam

 
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The 10k pledge was done by a guy from Sweden. We are already in contact with him Wink
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318947] Tue, 07 May 2013 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAFTeam

 
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Mauser: You'll hopefully soon know. We have an interesting idea.

Mauser 2nd: JA: Online. Now that's an interesting question. You know, the game, for being a F2P MMO, it ain't that bad. I'm not a fan of MMOs. No matter what the fuck they are about. Orcs, elves, turn based, dungeons or villages. The thing is that there's not enough game and content in there. They got some things right, yes. But the overall game seems to be missing somehow.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318948] Tue, 07 May 2013 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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While I am thinking of solutions, here's meme number 3 (I noticed some people on KS started to use it and the text is hard to read)

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/100.png


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318949] Tue, 07 May 2013 23:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
redchickenhed

 
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Thought I would come out of my lurking to say, I like this one better, Shanga.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318950] Tue, 07 May 2013 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
oasis789

 
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Hate to be That Guy but update 12 doesn't seem to have led to a spike in pledges yet the way update 9 did. Seems like folks didn't respond much to Camfield or confirmed moddability?
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318951] Tue, 07 May 2013 23:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
redchickenhed

 
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Hate to be That Guy but update 12 doesn't seem to have led to a spike in pledges yet the way update 9 did. Seems like folks didn't respond much to Camfield or confirmed moddability?


Give it a day, I say. Having Chris there is a VERY big deal to me. I can't believe I'm in the minority for that.

Speaking of which, and a bit off topic, can anyone fill me in to what happened to Ian Currie?
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318952] Tue, 07 May 2013 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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The 4th May spike is entirely artificial due to someone taking one of the crazy options. I'd give it another day or two for the news about Camfield to filter through the channels (honestly can't imagine that the rest is that big outside of the Pit)


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318954] Tue, 07 May 2013 23:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Pitch 5 ideas to help the KS campaign here:

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/318953.html#Post318953

I wrote down my brain farts, dunno if we'll go with those, add yours too.

About Chris Camfield, I doubt he has a hero status over the Internet to see an instant pledge surge. For us old timers, it's awesome news. But for the generic crowd out there, even casual gamers who don't give a flying fuck who made their game, it needs time to sink in. And for their gaming website to say "Original JA2 developer joins JA:Flashback remake" or something.

Or just tell them "Gumpy is back". The old ladies will go crazy and you can raise 2 million like that.

btw, Shanga has put the money where his mouth is:

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/101.jpg

Quote:
Speaking of which, and a bit off topic, can anyone fill me in to what happened to Ian Currie?


Nothing tragic. He was the holder of the JA IP, he sold it to SFI when Sir-tech Canada went bust. Went on with his career in the gaming industry. He's now a big shot (Design Director) at Turbine. And he has had his hair cut recently.

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318955] Tue, 07 May 2013 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EXile 150 Abyss

 
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btw, Shanga has put the money where his mouth is:

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/101.jpg


Awesome to see your support. Very Happy It gives the feel that the BP has got FC's back. Smile

Of course we will stay critical.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318956] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peal

 
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Nice guys - just came back from work - Smile

The only thing that could go wrong from here is R@S convincing them to make the game RTWP :headbanger:

hahahaha Razz

Nice nice nice! Gratz to all!
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318957] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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The only thing that could go wrong from here is R@S convincing them to make the game RTWP :headbanger:


that actually made me LOL. hard.


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318958] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
R@S

 
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The only thing that could go wrong from here is R@S convincing them to make the game RTWP :headbanger:
lol, I know I'm good, but am I THAT good? And I've always said, Jagged Alliance is TB.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318959] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CaRNi4

 
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Shanga
While I am thinking of solutions, here's meme number 3 (I noticed some people on KS started to use it and the text is hard to read)

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/100.png


Too bad transparent png's aren't supported by Kickstarter Sad
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318960] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Shanga
There're only so few things in life that are certain. Death. My bitching when you fuck up. Stuff like that... :computer2:

This was again due to your paws being not well suited for typing onscreen, wasn't it? Should have been something like "biting you to certain death when you fuck up" or so, I'd assume ... Very Happy

SCNR.

Edit:
Shanga
About Chris Camfield, I doubt he has a hero status over the Internet to see an instant pledge surge. For us old timers, it's awesome news.

I better do note transfer from german board what Scorp did write about this news then ... :/

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318961] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only thing that could go wrong from here is R@S convincing them to make the game RTWP :headbanger:


If he (or anyone else for that matter) would be mad and stupid enough to actually try that, i

☆★GL★☆
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318963] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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I better do note transfer from german board what Scorp did write about this news then ... :/


Trust me, I couldn't care less what he (of all people on this planet) says or thinks.

@CaRNi4 - yea, both their on-the-fly resizing and lack of PNG support is retarded. I'll design something around that.

On a side note, the "Pitch 5 ideas on how to help JA:F finish off KS campaign in style" topic is now writable. Forgot setting it as Global announcement fuxors it:

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/318953/Pitch_5_ideas_on_how_to_help_J.html#Post318953



Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318964] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
redchickenhed

 
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Nothing tragic. He was the holder of the JA IP, he sold it to SFI when Sir-tech Canada went bust. Went on with his career in the gaming industry. He's now a big shot (Design Director) at Turbine. And he has had his hair cut recently.


Interesting. I'm curious though. How did you know about the hair!?
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318965] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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I better do note transfer from german board what Scorp did write about this news then ... :/
Yeah, you better not. Although I have to admit to a mild and fleeting moment of curiosity as to what I ever did to that guy.


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318968] Wed, 08 May 2013 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
R@S

 
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I better do note transfer from german board what Scorp did write about this news then ... :/
I on the other hand always like to hear from my fans, and he's a big one Very Happy

But sadly, I can't find the forum you're talking about.


EDIT: Thanks for the link DB Smile

EDIT2: And I think he's referring to me, not you DB. Wink

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318970] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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http://forum.jaggedalliance.de/


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318971] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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is he the smilingassassin?
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318972] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peal

 
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is he the smilingassassin?

yes Smile
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318973] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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I dunno R@S, he was using plural and there are only 2 names aside from Chris.


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318974] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Yes, shadow.

Edit:
I'd say it's rather his special, well, how to put that, very own "friendly" way of a more general rant, not aiming at somebody in particular.

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318975] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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New MRE meme!

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/102.jpg

Rebuilt bear meme.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/103.jpg


MrChicken
Interesting. I'm curious though. How did you know about the hair!?

His previous hideous facebook profile pic greeted me each time I checked my wall.

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318976] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peal

 
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Good that we did not pointed out, what he said Smile
I'm sure other modders are joining the team, so everybody will be pleased.

Also look here, what he said! Wink

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318977] Wed, 08 May 2013 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
redchickenhed

 
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His previous hideous facebook profile pic greeted me each time I checked my wall.


HAH! That would do it.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318978] Wed, 08 May 2013 02:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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time to call it a day for me.

I'll leave you with the first "bear vs hamster" meme. Strictly for internal use (copyrighted image and stuff)

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/104.jpg


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318986] Wed, 08 May 2013 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@FC What's commendable (to me):
- First of all, taking on JA next game (it's big shoes to fill with JA1, DG & JA2)
- Update #6 Humble Bundle
- Update #12 Advisory Team addition
(Don't let the next worthy update be #18... I would rather be updated with sporadic, detailed info rather than frequent skimming-the-surface fillers)

Ideally, would wait for the diorama release before putting this, but time waits no one.

I'm probably just rehashing previously-made comments/posts.

------------------
FC (should have) realized that by appealing with the franchise name &/or turn-based genre just would *not* make the cut by the first few days of crowdfunding. In short, it was (one could strictly say retrospectively) a weak opening pitch in the aftermath of many turn-based prequel/sequel kickstarters.

FC needs to do more than that. 2 weeks into kickstarter, FC has heeded some of the public/community's suggestions for the better.

As always, easier said than done.

FC has 3 market segments to address for maximum punch/kick/stab/shot delivery.
1. New to JA & those with bad aftertaste of recent JA-related offerings
2. Backers (both convinced & give-it-a-shot)
3. JA community that has not backed, especially those sitting on the fence

With Update #12, backers & yet-to-backed community has been assured that JA's essence & modding capabilities are well taken care of.

As for segment 1, they are alienated. (not that they may become JAF sci-fi enemies but being walled off from the ebb and flow...) The (current) kickstarter content does not enticed them and they are still clueless about JA's true roots after (re)reading kickstarter. Yes, it's a single-player 3D tactical turn-based squad game but

What makes JA the Godfather of turn-based action? What's JA core gameplay? How deep is the tactical element? How are the characters memorable?

In short, the ball is entirely in FC's hands to tell every new-to-JA visitor what's the unique selling proposition (USP) before even the remote consideration of backing the kickstarter.

It's a hassle to read the mountain of text & worst, not getting much concrete info out of them. They are 'window-shopping'/browsing around and FC has 3 minutes to pitch or they are off. Potential backers should be informed with minimal effort and that can be achieved by well-orchestrated videos.

So, IMO, what FC needs now is an easy-to-relate v2.0 video together with succinct pitch/interview articles for a second wave of PR. However I fear that diorama may suffice for a v1.5 pitch only. (Prove me wrong, FC)

Here's an excellent suggestion by the public:

Pambam
Imagine, you create a short video (5 - 10 min.) which shows (+ perhaps voice commentary, enthusiastic, entertaining like a trailer) how great JA2 is. This could include nice quotes from cool and funny mercenaries (and Elliot), combat, tactical layer and NPC + story?
But what is it, what makes this game so addictive? That can only be experienced if you played it for a longer time. That is the problem. Younger folks don't know it, won't do it so they will not pledge. To convince them, you have to go like this: JA2 is still great, look how old it is, how many details it had, how cool it was - lets do something better with modern technology which defines the genre again.

A second video from FC will follow, where they express as a commentary what was great in JA - what they will use again.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/318710/Searchpage/1/Main/20924/Words/script/Search/true/Re_Jagged_Alliance_Flashback_n.html#Post318710

Bearpit's 11-year-old running thread of memorable quotes:
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/45951/1.html

Quote:
AND A video of a newly-created, easily-recognizable icon/stereotypical merc in JA2 to showcase FC artistic & creative talent. Just need a new animated portrait with some specific recorded dialogue lines & a witty background info.
The icing of the cake is also to fortify our trust that FC, *indeed*, has the right vision for JAF.

Some ideas from JAF forum: http://www.jaggedallianceflashback.com/forums/topic/mercenary-ideas/

The new updates (videos) will be a better representation on whether FC truly understands what makes JA JA, thereby ensuring a would-be quality product leading to more backers & higher pledges. As in the end, it's FC who will be calling the shots, doing their balancing act while inevitably lowering the priority of some of the advisory team's valuable suggestions.

Additional details/updates can thereafter be selectively elaborated based on feedback, serving them as bite-sized happy meals (videos) if appropriate instead of the dull, plain standard full course meals (text).

If FC *really* wants JAF to be kickstarted,
1. Activate some of Space Hulk team to help out. At most, Space Hulk will be delayed by a week or so. (Read somewhere that FC has only 3 active staff for the kickstarter)
2. Feel free to ask (please be specific) the JA community what resources FC need from the old JA games. Set a manageable deadline. If no quality output, DIY or search for alternatives.

Give everyone faith/confidence in backing &/or giving a higher pledge.

Leverage on human's passions, innate ability to connect the dots and our extrapolation tendency. It's about the possibilities.

Cheerz,
Buggler

P.S. I'm concerned with this:
Quote:
The game text will be localized to English, French, German, Italian, Russian and Spanish.

Will there be native language voiceovers for all non-English versions? I could interpret the above as having English voice acting with native language text. Update #4 did not clarify & honestly non-english version should *not* be short-changed on this which I believe it to be JA's core.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #318989] Wed, 08 May 2013 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EXile 150 Abyss

 
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time to call it a day for me.

I'll leave you with the first "bear vs hamster" meme. Strictly for internal use (copyrighted image and stuff)


Perfect theme for the next meme. The little commando hamster riding a ferocious bear, just trying to hold on for dear life. XD

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319002] Wed, 08 May 2013 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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