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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319497] Mon, 13 May 2013 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oilystool

 
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@TwwIX -

And finally - FC fully realizes that if they fuck this up the consequences will be game/[color:#FF0000]paycheck[/color] stopping for them. And I bet they still want to make games after JA:F.


PS: You're free to express your opinion here, don't worry.



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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319499] Mon, 13 May 2013 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gdalf

 
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it is everybodys own choice, but i don't get why you have to tell the whole world that you don't back it. Especially in a fan forum Very Happy



Because i happen to be a fan of the original two games made by Sir-Tech and i don't want to see it be dragged through the mud again by another studio that just wants make a quick profit from its name and the good nature of its fans.

Just because i don't frequent these forums doesn't disqualify me from voicing my opinion. Games like Jagged Alliance 2 and Half-Life are what got me into PC gaming in the first place and i cherish the experiences they have provided me to this day. People are putting way too much faith into these Kickstarter projects without any hesitation or demand of proof. As much as i like the idea of crowd sourcing, i am not putting my support behind a project that has nothing else to demonstrate to its backers besides an ambitious concept. It's as simple as that.

In your earlier posts, you complain that no one was taking up the franchise. Then BIA came out and that was with the get-a-publisher-make-a-game route and it floundered quickly. Now FC are going with the fan-supported/input route. We all agree the JA franchise was mishandled and it simply doesn't have the brand equity now to attract some big gun publisher and big gun dev team. We can either complain about that fact or we can look on the bright side that someone is still willing to take the risk and we make sure FC get it right as we get involved from alpha and beta and even now at the conceptual stage. I have come round to the idea that the blank slate we're being offered here can be the game's strongest advantage. They'll need the political skills to manage all the different expectations from fans, but the basics of turn based tactical combat, squad management (now overlain with a very cool base management!) and strategic dominance are all in place.

If you're still unconvinced that they have the technical capacity to carry out this game, then nothing will convince you. They've actually got more technical experience than the original JA2 team as Chris Camfield has already said. They will work with the fans on the conceptual parts, as they're already proving by doing it now. So yes, I was unconvinced at first but they have won me over by engaging us.

If you ever want anyone at all to ever work on the JA franchise again, you have to take the risk they'll ruin it. What's the alternative? Anyone could ruin it, but if you never try you'll never get another JA game. Sure FC didn't have the greatest start on KS but that's about the only thing they've done wrong so far, and they've shown to me that they are learning very fast about this social aspect of crowdsourced game development. And if you were hoping for the big guns to come in blazing to save the day, then you're living in fantasy - BIA killed that possibility and so you need a small team with something to prove, willing to take a risk along with you. FC check exactly those boxes, and I'm sure we'll be right there alongside looking out for intangibles like humor that added to the whole JA experience. The big names don't need to do that and haven't/won't.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319503] Mon, 13 May 2013 13:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Because i happen to be a fan of the original two games made by Sir-Tech and i don't want to see it be dragged through the mud again by another studio that just wants make a quick profit from its name and the good nature of its fans.

Just because i don't frequent these forums doesn't disqualify me from voicing my opinion. Games like Jagged Alliance 2 and Half-Life are what got me into PC gaming in the first place and i cherish the experiences they have provided me to this day. People are putting way too much faith into these Kickstarter projects without any hesitation or demand of proof. As much as i like the idea of crowd sourcing, i am not putting my support behind a project that has nothing else to demonstrate to its backers besides an ambitious concept. It's as simple as that.


The developers are more than welcome to prove me wrong.


We're ALL fans of the JA games , it's the reason we endlessly talk/mod and play Jagged Alliance in all it's variations .. except for the BIA games .. Smile

Of course you're free to express any opinion you want , but at the risk of never having a new JA game , do you really not want to help fund it ? Last chance saloon here folks !


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319511] Mon, 13 May 2013 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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lockie
Of course you're free to express any opinion you want , but at the risk of never having a new JA game , do you really not want to help fund it ? Last chance saloon here folks !

The point (IMHO) is not him not wanting to help funding it - if you're not convinced for whatever reasons, you don't throw your money in - but that he apparently wants to convince others to not help funding it as well ('cause else there was no point in repeating same arguments again and again) ...
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319515] Mon, 13 May 2013 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Loki7285

 
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well i pay more than i would for the game for sure. the things i get in return are not worthy of mention.

BUT i support a game that otherwise probably wouldn't be released and a small company has the chance to pay their bills.
No i am no saint and i don't have enough money for this, but i do it because i believe that it is our chance for a good game. Even if the game by itself would be a disappointment i am sure that you are going to make a nice game out of it.

And as i see it there can't go too much wrong with FC and JA:F.

Another thing, i rather help a small noname team make a game than for example an EA Bioware studio which has money and still makes bs-games.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319516] Mon, 13 May 2013 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GFox

 
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http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3852/37780377.jpg

Just kidding here. I kind of get what he is saying but I WANT TO BELIEVE! Even if that means at the end I was the fool Smile

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319518] Mon, 13 May 2013 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Loki7285

 
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with at least 25 dollars you cant lose much. dont smoke for a week and all is good Very Happy
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319520] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oilystool

 
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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/8735544034_07a269a67e_z.jpg


Just for fun,made a texture variation off the original Ak47 texture for a more blingy result Smile time to go home,until tomorrow Bear Pit..

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319521] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gdalf

 
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Did you find that in Gaddafi's crib? Surprised
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319522] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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And ... we have diorama screenshot!

http://www.jaggedallianceflashback.com/wp-content/uploads/ScreenShotDiorama13May.png

Bigger view here:
http://www.jaggedallianceflashback.com/wp-content/uploads/ScreenShotDiorama13May.png

Looking good, certainly NOT Frontline Tactics or Space Hulk...


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319524] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAFTeam

 
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And certainly NOT finished. Always have to mention that. Lightning far from finished, models far from finished. And also lot's of other stuff too Wink
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319525] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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And certainly NOT finished. Always have to mention that. Lightning far from finished, models far from finished. And also lot's of other stuff too Wink


The obvious lack of texturing in certain parts is a give away for that lol.

But again, it should calm down the "OMG they're making FT2" angry crowds. At least when it's done.


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319528] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
grim

 
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It's a W.I.P. and i take it as is, but if i may put a note, the textures (Javier's work i suppose) are a bit desaturated, a bit "torchlight" looking. I would prefer something darker, with more color/saturation, more like the first artworks. Ignore this if the full rendering will look that way.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319529] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Way to go for "Saddam's golden AK", Javier ... Wink
http://www.offiziere.ch/blog-bilder/ak-47-002.jpg

Edit
@diorama: So, it's finally been decided that it's going to be into the cell shaded, comic book like graphics' direction?

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319530] Mon, 13 May 2013 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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Question about the Editor:
As I read it, the 400k would allow for an adapted, more userfriendly editor. Can we just use the standard unity, wtf-so-many-buttons editor if this fails?


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319533] Mon, 13 May 2013 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vortexdr

 
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Question about the Editor:
As I read it, the 400k would allow for an adapted, more userfriendly editor. Can we just use the standard unity, wtf-so-many-buttons editor if this fails?


While that would be the best I'm not sure if they would be allowed to do that? Since Unity isnt their own in house engine I honestly got no clue if you are allowed to release the standard Unity editor.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319534] Mon, 13 May 2013 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oilystool

 
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@Grim these are rendered in the 3d editor with their textures self illuminated, once in game they will be lit along with shadows and if we we decide to pump up the saturation levels is an easy fix.

@sam. I don't think art wise we will go cartoon or cell shaded. Perhaps there will be some stylization with proportions but its closer to a colorful and simplified reality we will aim for.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319535] Mon, 13 May 2013 18:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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Question about the Editor:
As I read it, the 400k would allow for an adapted, more userfriendly editor. Can we just use the standard unity, wtf-so-many-buttons editor if this fails?


While that would be the best I'm not sure if they would be allowed to do that? Since Unity isnt their own in house engine I honestly got no clue if you are allowed to release the standard Unity editor.

The Unity Editor comes with the free unity sdk, I'm just not sure about the finer technicalities of free vs commercial version and final file formats here.


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319537] Mon, 13 May 2013 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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@sam. I don't think art wise we will go cartoon or cell shaded. Perhaps there will be some stylization with proportions but its closer to a colorful and simplified reality we will aim for.

Thx for pointing this out. Smile
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319539] Mon, 13 May 2013 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Skott Karlsson

 
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Out of curiosity will new game be easier to mod/edit than the old one? I never did get into the modding stuff of JA2 or 1.13. Or do we know the answer to that yet? Assuming of course the game gets funded and FC moves forward.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319540] Mon, 13 May 2013 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Out of curiosity will new game be easier to mod/edit than the old one? I never did get into the modding stuff of JA2 or 1.13. Or do we know the answer to that yet? Assuming of course the game gets funded and FC moves forward.


Depends on what you call "easy". It will have less hardcoded stuff, that's for sure. But it won't come out of the box with user-friendly, average-Joe, tools. That's for the modders to make.

The big advantage would be that nobody will waste time breaking encrypted files so those tools would come much faster. Plus the inside info and help from devs.


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319545] Mon, 13 May 2013 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/196.jpg

I rest my case oh thee unfaithful...


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319546] Mon, 13 May 2013 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAFTeam

 
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About the questions regarding art-style: Please note that the diorama is still work in progress. We said before that we are not going to be over-realistic. We want to have a realistic looking game with much stronger colors. It's not directly cartoon, even far away from cell shaded stuff, but it's going into that direction a bit.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319548] Mon, 13 May 2013 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vortexdr

 
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@FC

I'd still liek to see that quotes section. Did you ever manage to get permission from Kevin Saunders to use his quoteon rog codex? And now also Ian and Andrew's
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319554] Mon, 13 May 2013 22:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Vortexdr

 
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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319555] Mon, 13 May 2013 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peal

 
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@JAFTeam Is the diorama work in progress or is this final? I kinda like the untextured parts, reminds me of Alice in Wonderland, I mean I'm open for that. Jagged Alliance and Alice in wonderland art style :moosegrin:

Also, you always get an Ian Currie if you need one.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319556] Mon, 13 May 2013 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JAFTeam

 
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Peal, I srsly take that as irony now. Otherwise we're doomed Wink
(same as if I did start coding the game)
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319559] Mon, 13 May 2013 23:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peal

 
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Okay joking aside , I like the Diorama, I know there is plenty of stuff left, but I really don't like the interface, waaaay to much buttons. Also I would like to see the Merc-Portrais at the bottom!

Okay okay, sry couldn't resist ^^
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319561] Mon, 13 May 2013 23:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EXile 150 Abyss

 
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ABout the Diorama...

A couple more textures some shading and anti aliasing.
Map a couple of times bigger (I know it's an example)

Bring the game out like that and I'll personally come over to Denmark and kiss Thomas on the mouth. Very Happy

Love it already. ^^
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319562] Mon, 13 May 2013 23:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Razz

SCNR
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319564] Tue, 14 May 2013 00:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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but I really don't like the interface, waaaay to much buttons.


:uhh: :superman: :clap: :headbanger: :rulez: :shower: :nails:


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319566] Tue, 14 May 2013 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tais

 
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Hmmmmm

http://www.bears-pit.com/board/gallery/80/full/198.png

http://www.bears-pit.com/board/gallery/80/full/197.png


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319567] Tue, 14 May 2013 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pambam

 
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I really like the style they are going for. I think the diorama will be huge and getting a lot of positive reactions once its done.
JA2 was also not realistic in the art style. But the weapons were a bit more detailed, weren't they? At least in the inventory I want them to have the minimum details that JA2 delivered. More is okay. What the 3D models than have, is something else because it is not painted as the inventory.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319568] Tue, 14 May 2013 00:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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Not really, you might be spoiled by several iterations of supreme 1.13/submod gun art - check the originals here: http://www.jaggedalliance.de/ub/waffen/data.shtml


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319569] Tue, 14 May 2013 01:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peal

 
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Lol Tais hard to beat that Very Happy
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319570] Tue, 14 May 2013 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The interview with Ian would be massive. Shanga doing the interview asking Ian and Thomas question about the old and the new Jagged Alliance. Then make podcast out of like this(someone posted this idea earlier): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPU8e2ezgo

That would boost the KS.
Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319571] Tue, 14 May 2013 01:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tais

 
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space shuttle was the first thing that I thought of when you started about many buttons Very Happy


Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319573] Tue, 14 May 2013 02:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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The interview with Ian would be massive. Shanga doing the interview asking Ian and Thomas question about the old and the new Jagged Alliance. Then make podcast out of like this(someone posted this idea earlier): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPU8e2ezgo
That would boost the KS.

Still waiting for a formal confirmation from Ian that it was really him (the world is full of real Ian Currie's and an interview with an esteemed dentist or something won't make for much of a boost, right?)




In the meantime, here's some REAL stuff from Ian. I've rebuilt the Jagged Alliance Museum at JAG. Go check out how JA2 looked in pre-production before asking it from FC. It's really an eye opener.

http://www.jagalaxy.com/index.php/news/ja-museum/index.1.html

For those who prefer FB albums, I've uploaded the JA2 (not full collection) to our FB page too:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.285154664953334.1073741831.284716251663842&type=1

Here's a preview witn Ian's own description:
Quote:
http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/gallery/80/full/199.jpg
THE 1997 PLOT
This is a sample screen that was being prepared for a self-running demo we used at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) of 1997. [color:#990000]At that time, the game was totally realtime.[/color] It was fun if you only had one merc... Notice the old plot had the player trying to shut down the mines; that changed once we decided that the mines would be a fun source of income. Also, in this plotline, General Chilvadori eventually became Enrico Chilvadori - your "boss" for the game, and we made the villain a female. It was a good change in my opinion, although I do still like the concept of having to shut down each mine.

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Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319574] Tue, 14 May 2013 02:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Inukshuk

 
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Well, if this fails, I think our next mission is to persuade FC to keep at it and at least produce a demo. If they had a demo like JA2 had they had racked a million by now EASY.

But I guess we all know by now what went wrong, the idea is to think of ways to make it better.


Well said, Shanga...and kudos for the outstanding marketing you've been up to the last few days. When you're in, you're really in. I think what you've been doing will make/is making a real difference.

Re: Jagged Alliance: Flashback now on Kickstarter[message #319575] Tue, 14 May 2013 02:28 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Shanga

 
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Inukshuk

I think what you've been doing will make/is making a real difference.


Well, if I had 350k to give them, I would've done it. Since I don't, I pledge a few coins and a lot of work. If it made a difference, dunno, remains to be seen.


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