When cover is penetrable, you should be able to aim at any body part (as if it was no object in between), but the bullet velocity and damage should be reduced accordingly.

..you cannot aim at them; you may aim low and take a guess, where a knee may be and shoot a burst trying to hit the legs - but you cannot aim at a leg.

Sam_Hotte

..you cannot aim at them; you may aim low and take a guess, where a knee may be and shoot a burst trying to hit the legs - but you cannot aim at a leg.

Why can i not aim at your leg, if i dont see it? If i see your arm coming out behind a door i can aim at your leg, i know where legs are at a body, even if i dont see it.

There would be no point to prevent me from aiming at your leg if i want to try that.

you do not aim at a leg, but to the area in which you expect the legs to be.

No, you don't know this, you can just take a (more or less educated) guess.
Exaggerated example: If you just see my arm, you cannot know that I am standing just on one leg ...

Sam_Hotte

No, you don't know this, you can just take a (more or less educated) guess.
Exaggerated example: If you just see my arm, you cannot know that I am standing just on one leg ...

Ultimately, we are fighting soldiers/commandos/militias/mercenaries/... all of whom will use reasonably predictable stances and not hop around like a ballerina with one leg tucked behind the ear.

Sam_Hotte

No, you don't know this, you can just take a (more or less educated) guess.
Exaggerated example: If you just see my arm, you cannot know that I am standing just on one leg ...

Ultimately, we are fighting soldiers/commandos/militias/mercenaries/... all of whom will use reasonably predictable stances and not hop around like a ballerina with one leg tucked behind the ear.

When cover is penetrable, you should be able to aim at any body part (as if it was no object in between), but the bullet velocity and damage should be reduced accordingly.

Example: You are running in PANIC in a door into a hut without windows, 3 meters inside, you get killed with one single headshot, what happend?
A luckshot?

Yes, turnbased is different, and without a "ghost" like DepressivesBrot exapmled it, you can't shoot invisible people, but with that bodypart thing its exactly the same.
I would be sad about if my Mercs can not do what i could do.

But liek i said, the Mercs have different skills, and if you have a system what gives penalties for shots at targets you don't see, everything is fine, don't you think?

If someone ran into a hut for cover I would assume they're going for one of the corners and crouched. Hell yes I'd aim low. But they'd be pretty dumb to run for some place without a second exit ^^

let's say I was crouched or prone just as gdalf assumed. so he would score a hit.
Would he just score (in the game implementation) a body or leg hit because he aimed there, or would he be given a headshot score if lucky?
I would prefer the latter.

We don't know how they will handle aiming and ballistics, so we can discuss this wildly for a long time, all for nothing.

I really hope they won't go the XCOM:EU way with pure CTH % and simplistic damage.
I'd prefer something like a free line of sight you can aim where you want, and a deviation system like NCTH for the individual skills, boni&mali, and gun stats.
The bullet/grenade/rocket... then uses ballistics to determine where it goes and what it does (path, power, penetration...). If a body part is on its way, calculate the damage and apply it to the character.

yes, shooting numerous times through a thin wooden door with the right calibre might kill somebody standing right behind it. but do we want to have to do the pre-emptive door shooting every time before we enter a house?

and yes, hiding behind a shrub is less effective than hiding behind a rock, but don't overcomplicate things by making the game calculate that a .45 bullet has a higher chance of hitting a merc sitting behind a bamboo twig than a .22 has when shooting at a merc sitting behind the trunk of a 5 year old oak. just let the game calculate some simple penalties/CTHs and it will be fine. or throw a hand grenade.

and yes, hiding behind a shrub is less effective than hiding behind a rock, but don't overcomplicate things by making the game calculate that a .45 bullet has a higher chance of hitting a merc sitting behind a bamboo twig than a .22 has when shooting at a merc sitting behind the trunk of a 5 year old oak. just let the game calculate some simple penalties/CTHs and it will be fine.

and yes, hiding behind a shrub is less effective than hiding behind a rock, but don't overcomplicate things by making the game calculate that a .45 bullet has a higher chance of hitting a merc sitting behind a bamboo twig than a .22 has when shooting at a merc sitting behind the trunk of a 5 year old oak.