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Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324797] Thu, 05 September 2013 18:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sidew

 
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@pheloncab: I agree. we have already too many definition for special forces (SAS, SOG)

maybe:
Soldier -> generic soldier
Special Force -> special force unit (for scope, spooky and shadow)
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324805] Fri, 06 September 2013 01:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anv

 
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Those special forces backgrounds are actually pretty diversified and have different themes: SAS is airborne/paratrooper, SOG is jungle warfare, GSG9 is urban warfare, Ranger is mobility on land and that Seals proposition is water/fast deployment (though description is too long. Wasn't there a diving feature and fins planned/added in 1.13? Could add some bonus to that.) As such, they actually motivate to use mercs with them in different scenarios and add some flavour, so I would keep them in. Common soldier could be e.g. "grunt" (suppresion resistance, carry strength?) - for a more direct approach - would fit Grizzly.

Brenda - "misfit"? Together with Numb - they both seem to have winning personalities (lower approaches?)

Oh, and Kyle should be "FABULOUS"! Very Happy


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324807] Fri, 06 September 2013 03:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pheloncab

 
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I realize that the backgrounds of special forces units is a little bit of a lot, plus a lot of some specialty, I'm just wondering if you add all those different types, plus all the civillian backgrounds, how much work you'll be adding to all the modders to adjust the balance on all those in addition to all they already do for us.

Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324818] Fri, 06 September 2013 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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Modders are mad for this kind of stuff. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of them make 100 different backgrounds for 100 different mercs.


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324826] Fri, 06 September 2013 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Slax

 
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DepressivesBrot
Modders are mad for this kind of stuff. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of them make 100 different backgrounds for 100 different mercs.

Indeed! :laugh:
Players enjoy it too, you know.

Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324841] Sat, 07 September 2013 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Faalagorn

 
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I've beem wondering about the RPC_BONUS_TO_MILITIA_TRAINING_RATE value now when the backgrounds are added. Is it only for rebels or for every RPC out there? If it applies only for a rebel, then wouldn't it be better if that would be applied to their backgorund? Unless the Rebel backgrounds isn't used only with the Arulcan rebels
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324890] Sun, 08 September 2013 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Maalstroom

 
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I don't know why but i've always pictured grizzly as a marine...
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324892] Sun, 08 September 2013 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
acqsen

 
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Looks like i'll have to start another game. Again.
Thanks alot Flugente Very Happy

my suggestions:
  • Hitman, Assasin should be merged into one, or into a "Hitman - "distinctive_feature"", e.g Hitman - Poisons, Hitman - stealth etc.
  • Prisoner, convict merged into one or changed into "Prisoner -"prison_name/area_here""
  • Firefighters - add some smoke, tear, "kill-gas" resistance
  • Children, teenagers - add healing speed bonus
  • If homosexuals makes it in, then please one for each gender.
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324916] Mon, 09 September 2013 02:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Off_Topic

 
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This could be useful in deciding some backgrounds: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/JaggedAlliance


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324917] Mon, 09 September 2013 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Maalstroom

 
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This link proves once again how deep goes this game. I still wonder why this game went south? The passion they put into this one, made it a irreplaceable master piece.

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Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324949] Tue, 10 September 2013 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
demonbreather

 
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Am I blind? I can't find a link for this. The one I spotted just leads to a Warhammer mod. :/ Would love to throw this into my game.
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324951] Tue, 10 September 2013 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Faalagorn

 
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demonbreather
Am I blind? I can't find a link for this. The one I spotted just leads to a Warhammer mod. :/ Would love to throw this into my game.

Download the files from here (using TortoiseSVN):
https://ja2svn.dyndns.org/source/ja2_v1.13_data/GameDir
and then download the EXE from my signature

[Updated on: Tue, 10 September 2013 04:41] by Moderator

Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #324971] Tue, 10 September 2013 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Or use Depri's SCIs (in my sig.)

And welcome to the pit :cheers:
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325090] Thu, 12 September 2013 14:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
demonbreather

 
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Awesome! Thanks guys. Having a great time getting back into JA2, but I seem to be spending more time in the INI editor than actually playing. SO MANY MODS. Wink Now I gotta figure out the right spot to post my next question...
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325454] Fri, 20 September 2013 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
E3245

 
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Can the following backgrounds be added for IMP characters?

  • CIA Operative/Spy
  • KGB Operative/Spy
  • Bounty Hunter
  • Paramilitary
  • Tactician
  • U.S Marine Corps
  • U.S Navy Officer
  • U.S Rangers
  • JSOC unit
  • SOCOM unit
  • Delta Force
  • Navy SEAl/Navy SEAl Team 6 (Can be separate)
  • Spetznaz/Spetznaz GRU
  • GIGN
  • Triad
  • PSYOP
  • Green Berets

[Updated on: Fri, 20 September 2013 06:22] by Moderator

Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325457] Fri, 20 September 2013 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
silversurfer

 
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You can add whatever background you want to your game. Just edit Tabledata\Backgrounds.xml.

Personally I don't see the need for several backgrounds for Force x of Country y in the stock 1.13 GameDir. There already are several military backgrounds in there.

Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325699] Thu, 26 September 2013 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EvilTechno
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Registered:September 2013
Flugente, your work amazes me. Thank you!
I fell in love with the individual backgrounds and was totaly shocked when all backgrounds (!) ingame went "unknown" after I edited merc stats with the XML MERC PROFILE EDITOR.
Just reinstalled the game and got the same result. It's the Revision 6438 / 1789.

Maybe someone got a workaround, thank you.
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325709] Thu, 26 September 2013 05:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Welcome to the pit, evil! :cheers:

Most likely, the profile editor has not yet been adopted to deal with the backgrounds, hence messing some xml tags up or such.
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325720] Thu, 26 September 2013 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Faalagorn

 
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It just came to my attention, that Maddog surely should use a background with -food needs, as he always claims eating every bug on the way Smile
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325725] Thu, 26 September 2013 14:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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Sam_Hotte
Welcome to the pit, evil! :cheers:

Most likely, the profile editor has not yet been adopted to deal with the backgrounds, hence messing some xml tags up or such.
The profile editor won't be updated at all, I've been told they lost the source in a drive crash.


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325727] Thu, 26 September 2013 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Parkan

 
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to DepressivesBrot:

What about mercprofile editor which located in the root of 1.13 mod?Does it plan to update or you talked about that editor without source code?

[Updated on: Thu, 26 September 2013 14:21] by Moderator

Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325731] Thu, 26 September 2013 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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How many other profile editors are there? Of course that one.


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325741] Thu, 26 September 2013 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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DepressivesBrot
Sam_Hotte
Welcome to the pit, evil! :cheers:

Most likely, the profile editor has not yet been adopted to deal with the backgrounds, hence messing some xml tags up or such.
The profile editor won't be updated at all, I've been told they lost the source in a drive crash.

Baaaad news. Wink
Can you say which revision is latest the profile editor can cope with?
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325742] Thu, 26 September 2013 17:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Parkan

 
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DepressivesBrot
How many other profile editors are there? Of course that one.

in data-1.13\binarydata it is very old editor for vanilla ja?or it work with 1.13 mod?
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325743] Thu, 26 September 2013 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DepressivesBrot

 
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That's so ancient it's not even worth mentioning


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325744] Thu, 26 September 2013 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gambigobilla

 
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Why don't just you use notepad?
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325747] Thu, 26 September 2013 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sam Hotte

 
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Parkan
DepressivesBrot
How many other profile editors are there? Of course that one.

in data-1.13\binarydata it is very old editor for vanilla ja?or it work with 1.13 mod?


If you refer to "proedit" - this for vanilla and all version that do not use the XML externalisations ...
So, no, this is not for '1.13 4870+'.
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325750] Thu, 26 September 2013 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Parkan

 
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If it is not using,maybe delete it from SVN?And clean all unnecessary stuff from mods directory?
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #325777] Fri, 27 September 2013 01:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Faalagorn

 
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DepressivesBrot
How many other profile editors are there?
At least one.

For those that are not aware, Jazz is a creator for both of them, so if the HDD failure was the reason, now he is making a new one, this time with a source code available on the web. It is also included in the SVN (recently moved away from the gamedir SVN to the code SVN as per this thread).

Parkan
If it is not using,maybe delete it from SVN?And clean all unnecessary stuff from mods directory?

I was thinking of it too, it's just a few bytes though and currently some obscure values are not externalized to the XMLs (like nationality, see discussion here). If you feel to suggest deleting/moving the files away, feel free to comment in here Smile

[Updated on: Fri, 27 September 2013 01:28] by Moderator

Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #326982] Tue, 22 October 2013 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John_5696

 
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Registered:November 2009
Location: Mainland China
Hi, Flugente:

I'm translating some .xml files into Chinese, and I just found out that there are several .xml files that do not have their respective Chinese.xml files including this one.

Sorry I know almost nothing about C++ or .xml codes (still working on that though : ) ), I just want to ask if it is Ok for us to simply make a patch and replace the English version of background.xml or you are just working on adding the Chinese.xxx.xml and we could hope for the future updates?
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #326995] Tue, 22 October 2013 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Hi John_5696, welcome to the pit!

I have absolutely no grasp of chinese Wink, so yes, feel free to translate it. Thank you.


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #327002] Tue, 22 October 2013 22:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RoWa21

 
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John_5696
Hi, Flugente:

I'm translating some .xml files into Chinese, and I just found out that there are several .xml files that do not have their respective Chinese.xml files including this one.

Sorry I know almost nothing about C++ or .xml codes (still working on that though : ) ), I just want to ask if it is Ok for us to simply make a patch and replace the English version of background.xml or you are just working on adding the Chinese.xxx.xml and we could hope for the future updates?


hello,
you should contact "zwwooooo" here in the bears pit. he is also working on chinese translations.


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #327013] Wed, 23 October 2013 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John_5696

 
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Hi, @Flugente: Thanks for your great mods and features!

and @RoWa21: yes, I've already been in contact with zwwooooo, and all translation works in Chinese was edited and submitted by him (despite the fact that he is extremely busy lately).
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #327021] Wed, 23 October 2013 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cnagorneac

 
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Could any one please explain me what does tag means.
In description it states that it increases running speed. But what does that means in geme terms?
I used SAS background (+ 10 to speed) and calculated the AP costs for running (not walking) from one point to another. They were the same.
I even made a background with value 50 (from - 50 to 50 values are available) and values area still the same.
Also I tried to tvaluate running speed out of combat, but my female IMP without speed was running actually faster then my male IMP with +50 speed.

I also tried to do the same with "Scope" and other mercs eve though she has SAS background, the AP price for running is the same.
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #327024] Wed, 23 October 2013 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Off_Topic

 
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cnagorneac
Could any one please explain me what does tag means.
In description it states that it increases running speed. But what does that means in geme terms?
I used SAS background (+ 10 to speed) and calculated the AP costs for running (not walking) from one point to another. They were the same.
I even made a background with value 50 (from - 50 to 50 values are available) and values area still the same.
Also I tried to tvaluate running speed out of combat, but my female IMP without speed was running actually faster then my male IMP with +50 speed.

I also tried to do the same with "Scope" and other mercs eve though she has SAS background, the AP price for running is the same.


I'm guessing here, but i presume that it only increases running outside of turn based action. It doesn't increase AP.


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #327036] Wed, 23 October 2013 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Off_Topic is correct. It influences how fast a merc is. It does not have any influence on AP.

And it was used the wrong way around (+10% made you 10% slower instead of faster) Sad , which is fixed in r6526. + is good, - is bad.


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #327428] Fri, 01 November 2013 03:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bombrik

 
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Several mercs are still missing background tags. Are there any plans to correct this in future updates?
Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #327458] Fri, 01 November 2013 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Definite plans: no. But its open for debate. Do you have any in mind?


Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #328067] Wed, 13 November 2013 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John_5696

 
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Hello everyone,
Just a very short question:

In the I.M.P. background page, when choosing merc's background, there are two icons name "Prev" and "Next" which I didn't or couldn't find respective text in the language source file. Could anyone tell me where to find them? (or maybe not externalized yet?)

Well, some of our Chinese players are really pissed off by English related tests and've developed deep hatred for Latin words, just for crying out loud.

Greetings.

This problem has already been fixed, thanks.

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Re: New feature: individual backgrounds[message #328124] Thu, 14 November 2013 03:50 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
vota dc

 
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What happens if a merc has 100 in one skill and a bonus?
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