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Teaching/Training fellow mercs [message #348391]

Sat, 21 January 2017 04:31

Hawkeye

Messages:2416
Registered:October 2005
Location: Australia

Can anyone shed any light on how training others mercs has changed in 1.13?

At the moment in Vengeance a number of training exercises don't seem to work in particular:

I had Grandee with 99 marksmanship unable to teach Gasket, I understand in the ini it says anybody with a skill over 25 points should be able to teach a fellow team member. Does leadership play a factor now?

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Lieutenant

Re: Teaching/Training fellow mercs [message #348393 is a reply to message #348391]

Sat, 21 January 2017 11:16

BattleGnome

Messages:60
Registered:April 2016

I can't speak to any specific changes in the game code, but I can offer some general observations about the teaching/student and learning mechanics of the game.

To begin with there are 4 factors which you need to consider:
1. The wisdom stat of the student merc (Gasket).
2. The skill stat of the teacher merc (Grandee).
3. The traits of the teaching merc. Does Grandee have the teaching trait?
4. The personalities of the two mercs.

First off, Gasket's wisdom. A mercs wisdom stat directly impacts their ability to learn, either through teaching, practice, or experience. Mercs with a low wisdom stat will learn slower than those with a high wisdom stat. Gasket has a wisdom stat of 49 which isn't much better than the road kill he eats back home, thus he is going to take a LONG time to learn anything.

Second, Grandee's marksmanship. As you have correctly noted the teaching merc needs to have a certain number of stat points more than the student, which in this case you have well and truly met so you shouldn't have any issues on that front.

Third, the teaching trait. The teaching trait has an important impact on the student/teacher relationship and its effectiveness, as you would expect. I don't recall if Grandee has the trait but if he does it will be very helpful especially given Gasket's low wisdom stat (as I mentioned above). If he doesn't have this trait then that may go someway to explaining why it's taking so long.

Fourth, the personalities of the mercs. Do Gasket and Grundee like each-other? Do they hate each-other? The personal dynamics of the two mercs can be important and you may need to do some digging to find out if these two mercs have a personality conflict.

As for leadership... I'm not unsure if this impacts the student/teacher mechanic of the game. I'll leave that for someone else to answer.

I hope that helps.

Gnome.

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Corporal

Re: Teaching/Training fellow mercs [message #348395 is a reply to message #348393]

Sat, 21 January 2017 11:59

Hawkeye

Messages:2416
Registered:October 2005
Location: Australia

Thanks Gnome, I do understand Gasket would be a slow learner as he was in Vanilla, my current issue is that the training mechanic won't even start, I basically get a flashing red teacher/student indication just as if Grandee's expertise is lower than 25 pts different from Gasket's and hence asking what other factors may prevent these two from training at all.

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Lieutenant

Re: Teaching/Training fellow mercs [message #348397 is a reply to message #348395]

Sat, 21 January 2017 14:26

ratpaz

Messages:137
Registered:April 2015
Location: Italy

On my game Grandee is successful training Gasket marksmanship but i greatly raised the INSTRUCTED_TRAINING_DIVISOR to 600 in Ja2_options.ini
even so i'm getting a low training rate of 10 (considering the high marksmanship levels of the two mercs), setting the INSTRUCTED_TRAINING_DIVISOR to its original value i'm still able to train Gasket getting a very low training rate of 2.
They don't hate each other and Gasket aggressive personality should not affect either, i believe the main reason is Gasket low wisdom.

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Sergeant

Re: Teaching/Training fellow mercs [message #348398 is a reply to message #348391]

Sat, 21 January 2017 16:43

grim

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Registered:July 2006
Location: France

Sometimes, the trainer/student assignments are flashing red even if they are elligible, depending on who you put first on the assignment. Try to forward time and the flashing may stop.

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Master Sergeant

Re: Teaching/Training fellow mercs [message #348414 is a reply to message #348398]

Sun, 22 January 2017 02:10

Hawkeye

Messages:2416
Registered:October 2005
Location: Australia

grim wrote on Sun, 22 January 2017 01:43

Sometimes, the trainer/student assignments are flashing red even if they are elligible, depending on who you put first on the assignment. Try to forward time and the flashing may stop.

Thanks, I'll take a look. The flashing red indicator seems a bit illogical as I always associate that with a task that can't be done or is finished, which may mean a number of things I thought were broken/can't be done actually aren't.

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