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Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349351] Tue, 28 March 2017 00:45 Go to next message
Sancho

 
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Hello everyone, i'm new here and just got JA2 and downloaded the latest 1.13 mod separately+the patch. When i start up the game i get horrendous frame rates and stuttering on all of the menus. Is there any way to fix this? Thanks in advance.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349352 is a reply to message #349351] Tue, 28 March 2017 01:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Did you set it to run windowed mode and lowered the screen colors to 16bit, set compatibility mode to winxp or lower?


Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349353 is a reply to message #349352] Tue, 28 March 2017 02:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sancho

 
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How do i change the screen colors to 16 bit?
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349358 is a reply to message #349353] Tue, 28 March 2017 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
silversurfer

 
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The JA2 1.13 installation has a docs folder with information on Windows 8/10 compatibility fixes. Please read the Readme file that is contained within. In my opinion you don't really need the dll files from the archive. Actually I'd advise not to use them because they cause a garbled air view on the map screen. The other steps however are required as they set the game to run in 16 bit color depth and compatibility mode.

With "latest version + patch" you probably mean the official release 7609. That's only the latest stable which is very old.

If you want to try the "real" latest version you should look here.
If you want to use mods that require release 7609 you should use Sevenfm's experimental exe. You can find download links in his sig.



Wildfire Maps Mod 6.07 on SVN: https://ja2svn.mooo.com/source/ja2/branches/Wanne/JA2%201.13%20Wildfire%206.06%20-%20Maps%20MOD

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349361 is a reply to message #349353] Tue, 28 March 2017 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Sancho wrote on Tue, 28 March 2017 02:29
How do i change the screen colors to 16 bit?


If GPU allows, it's in the same place where you change screen resolution (1024x768 32 bit ... change to 1024x768 16 bit, for example). Latest GPUs or monitors might not allow you to do it, though. 16 bit colors is quite obsolete mode.


Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349372 is a reply to message #349361] Wed, 29 March 2017 23:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sancho

 
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So ive managed to get it running by setting compatibility mode to Windows XP3 and changing color to 16-bit, but ive run into another problem. After 10-20 minutes ingame, everything just freezes. Sometimes i can move the cursor around and hear music, but other times it just freezes completely.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349373 is a reply to message #349358] Thu, 30 March 2017 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sancho

 
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I also downloaded the version of 1.13 you linked me but the freezing still persists.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349374 is a reply to message #349373] Thu, 30 March 2017 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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So it runs ok for 10 minutes or so and then it slows to a crawl? Did you check for a memory leak in Task Manager? Like an insane amount of RAM occupied by the JA2 executable?


Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349376 is a reply to message #349374] Thu, 30 March 2017 02:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sancho

 
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It just runs fine but just stops/freezes, ive looked around the forums and others had the same problem but they never really got a solution.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349381 is a reply to message #349376] Thu, 30 March 2017 16:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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It can happen, compatibility will be harder and harder as the release year of 1999 goes farther and MS keeps changing shit in Windows. If there is something like a weird memory leak it could be a problem with the mod itself, otherwise it is simply the intentionally poor backwards compatibility in Win10.


Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349382 is a reply to message #349381] Fri, 31 March 2017 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Someone64

 
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What helped me a ton was running this on DXWnd. You might have to tweak these settings depending on your system. Using DXWnd prevents the game from locking up when you tab out for too long, increases performance, removes the need for switching the entire desktop to 16 bit mode on Windows 7 and under, and seems to desync the audio and video for the Sirtech logo video and causes it to lag for some reason (but all other movies played are fine). Set the game to run at full screen in ja2.ini or adjust however you like. I find it works better when I want to play in windowed mode to still set the game to run in full screen and make it windowed through DXWnd instead.

Config file

To use that file you have to import it into DXWnd first. Can't just insert it into the folder. It will automatically hook to ja2.exe as long as it's open while you launch it. No need to launch it through DXWnd. Lastly, don't forget to change the paths to your actual JA2 1.13 install.

[Updated on: Fri, 31 March 2017 05:07]

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349383 is a reply to message #349382] Fri, 31 March 2017 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tyxe

 
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I used to have lot of freeze (was almost unplayable) and then i installed imageCFG : https://robpol86.com/imagecfg.html
Never had a single freeze since.
Apparently ja2 does not like to use multiple cores.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349384 is a reply to message #349383] Fri, 31 March 2017 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Someone64

 
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Yeah you can use DXWnd to force it to use one core on startup, too (which is included in the config I provided).
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349596 is a reply to message #349384] Sat, 22 April 2017 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Multihog

 
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The fixes provided with 1.13 got the game running pretty much flawlessly on Win 10, but I get frequent freezes while doing inventory management. Music continues, but everything is unresponsive, so I have to kill the process. IT's not frequent enough to be game breaking, but it sure is annoying to keep restarting the game. I'll try to force it to single core. Hopefully that fixes it.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349598 is a reply to message #349596] Sat, 22 April 2017 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The_Bob

 
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This is fixed in the latest build. Get the latest (sort by date) files from the SCI/Vanilla and Builds folders here: https://onedrive.live.com/?id=13A6926EAC52083!201&cid=013A6926EAC52083

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349607 is a reply to message #349598] Sun, 23 April 2017 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dreamer2008

 
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The win 10 fixes from the docs folder solves the stuttering problem in the menus, OP. I had exactly the same problem, and that solved it.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349609 is a reply to message #349607] Sun, 23 April 2017 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thundercat

 
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Hello everyone. First of all congratulations for the great work on this game. I would like to add that i faced the same problem as a win10 user and seems that imageCFG have somehow reduced the freezes by a lot but not completely. I can say around 80%. But i face another problem now. I have finally conquered Drassen but when i give the wine to
father Walker he wont take it (says something like: i have no need for possessions) although i chose the crepitus option, which i like very much. Does that mean they wont appear any more? And second i cant train classic militia, i dont want mobile one because it facilitates the game. It tells me i dont have enough resourses and i have more than one million dollars (twicked that on purpose). What am i missing? does it have to do with the freezes or that i used imageCFG? how can i make father Walker talk to me about the creatures and how do i train militia in town? It wont even let me staff the A.C.A. building because my mercs dont have either enough leadership or wisdom. (my current best merc has 50 leaders. and 65 wisd.)
thanks a lot in advance. hope you can help me resolve.

[Updated on: Sun, 23 April 2017 16:02]

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349610 is a reply to message #349609] Sun, 23 April 2017 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TrentL

 
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You don't need imageCFG anymore. You don't need to worry about single core. Get the latest EXE which The Bob linked above, the windows 10 freezes are gone for good.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349611 is a reply to message #349351] Sun, 23 April 2017 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Starchris

 
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Hello

If anyone has a problem with low framerates on any Windows, then should apply our overlay, which is solving this.

https://jagged-alliance.pl/plik573/

"With this overlay, you will be able to play smoothly and without any hindrance to any part and version of Jagged Alliance, on the latest Windows 10. This project also helps with Windows 7, 8 and 8.1.

INSTALLATION GUIDE
1. In the main directory of your game, from the "Data" folder, delete the file named "Intro.slf" .
2. Download the overlay and all its files, copy and paste into the main directory of your game and launch the exe file of your version of JA.

In case of further malfunction, the following points should be continued.
3. Compatibility mode of the main EXE file of your game, set to: "Windows Xp (Service Pack3)" .
4. For JA2 Wildfire, you need to manually add the registry key. To do this, run the "JA2 Wildfire - Windows 10 Registry Serial file."

[Updated on: Sun, 23 April 2017 18:26]

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349612 is a reply to message #349611] Sun, 23 April 2017 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TrentL

 
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With The Bob's newest version you don't need to set compatibility mode or run registry patches or use imageCFG or worry about core affiliation or .. well, any of that stuff.

The only thing you really need to do is copy in the 3 WINE DLL's which are in the \Docs\Windows Compatibility Fixes folder.

The latest executable of Jagged Alliance 2 1.13 fixes all of the timing issues which were causing lockups in the game under Windows 8/8.1/10.

Between Windows XP, Windows 7, and Windows 8, Microsoft changed the way that the high precision timers worked. This caused an issue with the way the game was getting timer info from the system; resulting in freezes as the Windows 8/8.1/10 code was returning bad time values. (This affected more software than just jagged alliance, for what it's worth).

The Bob worked throughout April re-designing the JA timing routines and has fixed the issue. The game will no longer freeze under newer operating systems.

So please quit posting old fixes! They are no longer relevant!


All that will do is continue to confuse people.

ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS RUN THE LATEST EXE THAT BOB POSTED.

PERIOD.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349616 is a reply to message #349612] Mon, 24 April 2017 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
silversurfer

 
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TrentL wrote on Sun, 23 April 2017 18:37
With The Bob's newest version you don't need to set compatibility mode or run registry patches or use imageCFG or worry about core affiliation or .. well, any of that stuff.

The only thing you really need to do is copy in the 3 WINE DLL's which are in the \Docs\Windows Compatibility Fixes folder.


This is not exactly true. Bob's fixes help against the lockups which is a great boon. They don't help against the poor performance of JA2 1.13 on Windows 10 especially in higher resolutions.

There are three fixes against performance problems that I am aware of:

1. The 3 WINE Dlls from the "Docs\Windows Compatibility Fixes" folder. They make the game run fast but they also lead to the garbled air/mobile militia view in strategic screen. I cannot recommend these Dlls.

2. The registry fixes from "Docs\Windows Compatibility Fixes". They also fix the performance problems. Downside is that there is one fix for full screen and one for windowed mode which are mutually exclusive.

I don't know why they were done this way and I won't replace those .reg files at the moment but if you want to have a fix for both full screen and windowed mode at the same time use this as the reg file (adjust the path before importing into your registry!)

Toggle Spoiler

This is a merge of the options from both .reg files and my preferred solution as it works without additional software.

3. The WINE Dlls that Starchris linked. Those were unknown to me so far but they help as well as the Dlls from solution 1 BUT they do NOT cause the garbled view.



Wildfire Maps Mod 6.07 on SVN: https://ja2svn.mooo.com/source/ja2/branches/Wanne/JA2%201.13%20Wildfire%206.06%20-%20Maps%20MOD

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349620 is a reply to message #349616] Mon, 24 April 2017 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dreamer2008

 
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silversurfer, what resolution do you recommend for best look/performance on a 1920/1080 monitor? And thank you for the info and the updated reg.

[Updated on: Mon, 24 April 2017 16:09]

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349621 is a reply to message #349620] Mon, 24 April 2017 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
silversurfer

 
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I'm using resolution 12 (1280x960) on my 1920x1200 26" monitor but it's really a matter of personal preference. Higher resolutions allow to see more of the map but every object and character is smaller. I can run the game at 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 just fine with good performance (with just my registry fix) but the lower resolutions are easier on the eyes.



Wildfire Maps Mod 6.07 on SVN: https://ja2svn.mooo.com/source/ja2/branches/Wanne/JA2%201.13%20Wildfire%206.06%20-%20Maps%20MOD

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349622 is a reply to message #349621] Mon, 24 April 2017 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dreamer2008

 
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Thank you for the reply. That resolution is truly better for the eyes compared to what I used before.

But after copying the dll's Starchris mentioned I see a flashing white small box near the right corner of the screen for some reason. Its flashing often enough to be distracting. I think I will try to play without any of these dll's and see what happens.

Edit: When copying the original dll's the white box is gone. But when I am not using any dll the white box appears again. Did anyone else encounter this problem?

[Updated on: Tue, 25 April 2017 00:05]

Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349628 is a reply to message #349622] Tue, 25 April 2017 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TrentL

 
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Bob, I had a timer lockup tonight (I think?). (music kept playing, game was non-responsive).

I was on strategic view, had just loaded 6 mercs up in skyrider and gave him a destination.

Half way there, forces invaded a sector which I had mercs in.

Red screen came up and I clicked the button to enter the battle, it *immediately* froze. Music kept playing but I couldn't click on anything, had to force close.

That's the first one in a long, long time. Rare event, and with skyrider being buggy still since the new SAM code was put in I'm not sure what went wrong. Pretty sure it was a timer thing since the music kept on playing, though. Didn't give an assertion.
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349634 is a reply to message #349622] Wed, 26 April 2017 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TrentL

 
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dreamer2008 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2017 13:39
Thank you for the reply. That resolution is truly better for the eyes compared to what I used before.

But after copying the dll's Starchris mentioned I see a flashing white small box near the right corner of the screen for some reason. Its flashing often enough to be distracting. I think I will try to play without any of these dll's and see what happens.

Edit: When copying the original dll's the white box is gone. But when I am not using any dll the white box appears again. Did anyone else encounter this problem?


The only time I see little glitches is when running full screen, upon startup, sometimes certain windows OS things will stay on top of the game. Hitting the windows key to bring up the taskbar, then clicking the game again, sorts those out for me.

I've been running without random freezes for a long time now with Bob's exe. I have the 3 wine DLL's in the game directory and I applied the registry fix (note you need to change the game path in the .reg file to match your install directory, before you import it.)

I run the game on custom resolution 1400x1050 on a Surface Pro 4, works great and I can see / read everything. 1920x1080 is way too small and the display's native 2736x1824 is riiiiiight the hell out. happy
Re: Running JA2 1.13 on Windows 10[message #349637 is a reply to message #349634] Wed, 26 April 2017 12:22 Go to previous message
dreamer2008

 
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TrentL wrote on Wed, 26 April 2017 02:00
dreamer2008 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2017 13:39
Thank you for the reply. That resolution is truly better for the eyes compared to what I used before.

But after copying the dll's Starchris mentioned I see a flashing white small box near the right corner of the screen for some reason. Its flashing often enough to be distracting. I think I will try to play without any of these dll's and see what happens.

Edit: When copying the original dll's the white box is gone. But when I am not using any dll the white box appears again. Did anyone else encounter this problem?


The only time I see little glitches is when running full screen, upon startup, sometimes certain windows OS things will stay on top of the game. Hitting the windows key to bring up the taskbar, then clicking the game again, sorts those out for me.

I've been running without random freezes for a long time now with Bob's exe. I have the 3 wine DLL's in the game directory and I applied the registry fix (note you need to change the game path in the .reg file to match your install directory, before you import it.)

I run the game on custom resolution 1400x1050 on a Surface Pro 4, works great and I can see / read everything. 1920x1080 is way too small and the display's native 2736x1824 is riiiiiight the hell out. happy


Found the problem. Its a sort of incompatibility with f.lux. If I close that before starting the game, the white box is gone.
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