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Folding/Retractable Stock with NCtH[message #350836] Sun, 03 September 2017 20:21 Go to next message
Tyxe

 
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Correct me if i'm wrong but with NcTH having a folding/retractable Stock :
1- increase your aiming level by 1 (very bad)
2- make recall much harder to handle on burst/autofire while standing (no effect on crone/prone standing).
3- decrease time to ready your weapon (mostly unimportant except on some few weapons and even then...)

So in short with NcTH stocks are awful from a gameplay point of view.

Moreover it seems totally unrealistic to me (i'm not fanatic of realism, gameplay must come first but overall it still must make sense somewhat) .
I mean i never fired any anything but watching some shooting video on youtube it's clear you hit much more accurately with a stock than without, especially on burst/autofire mode (your shoulder absorb the recoil and improve stability).
So from a realistic point of view 1- can somewhat be explained (you take a bit more time to aim with stock why not) but 2- is crazy (should be the other way) and i don't know about 3-

A- Does it work the same way with OCtH (and vanilla JA2)?
B- It is intended this way or it is a default of NCtH implementation ?
C- in XML editor (i know outdated and bugged) is there any difference with -101 and 0 value concerning stance modifier for firearm ?
Re: Folding/Retractable Stock with NCtH[message #350839 is a reply to message #350836] Mon, 04 September 2017 00:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
silversurfer

 
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A folding/retractable stock in 1.13 means that the stock is in folded/retracted position. This means that:

1 - it's harder to aim because you cannot fix your gun at the shoulder
2 - autofire is harder because the recoil is not absorbed by the shoulder
3 - you can ready the gun faster because no stock is in the way

Yes, this is the intended behaviour and the handling modifiers carry over from standing stance if nothing else is defined for the other stances.



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Re: Folding/Retractable Stock with NCtH[message #350842 is a reply to message #350839] Mon, 04 September 2017 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tyxe

 
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Damn i completely misunderstood it, thanks for the info.
Are there any ways to "unfold" the folding/retractable stock when it is "built in" the weapon like the various Uzi (it makes those weapons much less effective IMO) ?

silversurfer wrote on Mon, 04 September 2017 00:41
the handling modifiers carry over from standing stance if nothing else is defined for the other stances.

I'm not sure to understand that part.
Taking the FN P90 for example, it has the following NCtH Stance Modifier :
Standing/Crouching/Prone
Percent Handling -10 / -101 / 0
Percent Max CF 30 / -101 / 0

Does that mean that in Crouching position the -10 and 30 modifier apply (-101 treated as blank so the -10/30 from standing stance carry over the crouching stance) and in Prone position no modifier apply (0) ?

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Re: Folding/Retractable Stock with NCtH[message #350854 is a reply to message #350842] Mon, 04 September 2017 18:34 Go to previous message
silversurfer

 
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Folding and unfolding is not possible in default 1.13. There are some mods that use item transformations to do that.

Yes, modifiers apply from top to bottom (standing -> prone). So the P90 will have the same modifiers for standing and crouched but prone three modifiers are set to 0 so no bonus/penalty there. If you look at Items.xml you can see that for standing stance there is a -1 aim levels defined which is not overwritten for prone so this one modifier carries over from standing to prone.



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