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Sun, 11 February 2018 16:02 
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I've seen stats go up as I play both games.
In JA the most I'd usually see outside of an experience class increase is a single point increase in marksmanship and/or wisdom.
In DG shooting enemies seems to actually raise marksmanship and mechanics goes up by having the person practise their talents.
In both games after a number of days active a mercs XP class increases no matter what they actually do.
However after the first increase it seems only active field work has an affect but I have no idea what aspects of it do so.
I still have no real idea what influences stat increases and when they happen or what affects XP class. Can anyone explain how it all really works?
Thank you for your time.
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| Re: Raising stats outside of training?[message #352365 is a reply to message #352364]
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Mon, 12 February 2018 10:32 
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Assuming you indeed tried to looking in that forum in search for this certain info (option #1), you should have been noticed a topic with words roughly "ask here bout ja1" (ok, verbatim is "So i decided to open that topic instead, so if anyone actually do have something to ask about that game, ill try to provide some info"), so you shall seen it if you telling truth (otherwise maybe you just didn't noticed it was answered somewhere, as you actually didn't lookd, contrary to claim). As other option (option #2), you did seen it, but somewhy decided to ignore it, in that case you would notice without any deep work what you wouldn't really get any answer there, assuming you actually was interested in question - that looks very counterproductive from your side. And as option #3, which i hope is the right one, there is some misunderstanding happening somehow (language barrier or so), so instead of leaving you on your own there, i tried to point on your mistake, so you can show commitment, and fix it if you indeed do care bout. Hope its more clear now, your question isn't gibberish, but misplaced.
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| Re: Raising stats outside of training?[message #352372 is a reply to message #352371]
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Mon, 12 February 2018 15:32
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@ Spamwebster
First off. welcome to Bear's Pit. I will try to explain some of the mechanics regarding raising stats. I am not a modder and i have not played Deadly Games. As Jahh suggests, you can scour the forums and do some google searches BUT you are new to this. So, until you get your bearings, here we go .....
Your stats will always go up in the field, since the vanilla game, not all of them though. Wisdom - for instance - was near impossible to raise in the vanilla game. Now think of the game as going to school or miltary. We would get trained for a certain time and then go to work out in the world to gain more experience overall. The 1.13 modification does a perfect job of letting you raise your skills even if they are at 0. You can also adjust the rate of that experience gain through the INI.Editor's settings. Just don't mess with the Constants.
How do they work...
Almost all of the skills can be trained from 0 to 100. Trainers can train you only up to 85 or so, depending on the mod. Or you can practice training, even make them suffer a little,lol, like the real military.
Health : can be raised also (except the training assignments, that goes for all skills)by having them run around in a map back and forth or by doing long treks in the countryside, from destination to destination.
Strength : load them up , even over their carrying capacity and have them run around in the map (excess weight will make them lose energy rather quick and collapse but that is training  ) Facility assgnments can also raise skills. Drassen Airport train strength, been assigned to work in a mine can train explosives,etc.
Wisdom : Leadership assignment or training militia and/or bandaging wounds i think. not so sure about this last one.
Medical : assignment for medicine and maybe Wisdom.
Explosives, work in a Mine assignment or trained by another or practice.
Dexterity & Mechanical : They raise each other if repairing. Mechanical can also go up by Lockpicking a lot. Even failed Lockpicking attempts count in raising those stats.
Marksmanship : Training or practice assignments or fighting in the field.
Agility : tricky one, besides training or practice, only other way to raise it is to sneak back and forth near enemies - preferably at night - it's risky and it's best to have the option to sneak in real time ON , in both the INI.Editor and the in-game Options. It's worth raining it thoughStrength and Dexterity can also be raised by fighting melee (punching and knifing)
That's all i can think of right now. Hope it helps. If you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask 
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| Re: Raising stats outside of training?[message #352377 is a reply to message #352372]
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Mon, 12 February 2018 16:42
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Gopas wrote on Mon, 12 February 2018 15:32 @ Spamwebster
As Jahh suggests, you can scour the forums and do some google searches BUT you are new to this.
I never did (you really mean response like "i dont know how to answer your question, but you can scour the forums and do some google searches", really?). Only tried to ensure if he didnt read at all, or missed somehow.
gmonk wrote on Mon, 12 February 2018 16:28 @ Spamwebster
As for your question: there's an outline of how to train skills for JA on the Jagged Alliance wiki stats page.
Regarding Ja1 its very misleading in many parts, as its for Ja2 actually. In parts its not misleading its the same "hey, you can rise mechanical by picking locks, and medicine via doing doctor stuff!" approach, and its should be quite offensive for TS (as its assume he's dumb enough\never played this game prior and\or was unable to find jawiki despite writing about doing a network search prior asking).
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| Re: Raising stats outside of training?[message #352379 is a reply to message #352368]
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Mon, 12 February 2018 17:46
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Spamwebster wrote on Mon, 12 February 2018 13:45
I will post in the correct place later.
I thought we're quite on a course, Shanga, then suddenly two guys "hey, i dont even bother to read if you're about Ja1 or what you asking about, but let me enlighten you what in Ja2 you can rise marksmanship by shooting weapons" in a row. Also not sure "customer" is of good usage there, just i know what network really lack info on Ja1, coz i tried to search for em myself some time ago in vain. But ok, ill think bout monetization, and anyway, always quality above quantity. Zero "customers" could be better than waste a time on a not worthy one, isnt it?
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Mon, 12 February 2018 18:20
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Shanga wrote on Mon, 12 February 2018 18:03
If by experimentation and experience you have some reliable info, don't hold back.
...you know where to write if you have something to ask in mind, right? I'll try to answer then. I cant answer you if you don't ask anything (and we already talked about "how about write all the stuff, it will take quite a some hours and hours, and nobody will read it after" as not a real way to go).
Shanga wrote on Mon, 12 February 2018 18:03
Nvm my "customer" reference, it was a weak attempt at a joke (dunno why but I had the image of an empty restaurant and us asking the first customer this year to get out cause he doesn't have a tie).
Its more like us asking that customer to walk in, coz we had a sign and stuff, and not asking for füd from a postal box and stray crow. Surely we can went outside instead, and bring it right to that box, but more convenient is to explain the usual route, also surely will help with usage of restaurants and postal boxes later. At least that what how i can see your proposed image, difference is quite striking, very possible i misread something?
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| Re: Raising stats outside of training?[message #352384 is a reply to message #352382]
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Mon, 12 February 2018 18:49
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Considering I spent the last few days madly filling mercenaries pages with every quote I could muster(Despite how much of a mess it could make the pages look) under this username.
I probably have read the skills page on the wiki at some point or another. Especially since googling "Jagged Alliance raise skills" first brings up that very page.
It's also interesting how people will leap into discussions about 1 and DG by giving info about 2. It's why I added JA1 vs DG as the tagline and made a large chunk of my first comment contrasting what little experience of have of those mechanics. So if anyone took the time to read, they would see it wasn't about the sequel.
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| Re: Raising stats outside of training?[message #352427 is a reply to message #352414]
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Thu, 15 February 2018 05:34
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Ok, thats so outrageously hilarious, ill comment.
Gopas wrote on Wed, 14 February 2018 17:58 I don't see JA1, only JA in general, so i figured i'd take the time to describe some stuff.
Quote:I've seen stats go up as I play both games.
In JA the most I'd usually see outside of an experience class increase is a single point increase in marksmanship and/or wisdom.
In DG shooting enemies seems to actually raise marksmanship and mechanics goes up by having the person practise their talents.
In both games after a number of days
First post.^ One you "answered" to.
Both games. Both. Games. Supposedly its "JA in general" vs "JA in general", right?. Also topic description have Jagged Alliance 1 ((Jagged Alliance 1 vs Deadly Games)). 1. One. Its posted in a subsection called "Jagged Alliance & Deadly Games". Your next message to expect will be about weather, because you dont seen what others wrote from the start, and you'll figure its time to go talk bout weather, as we all do?
Even more important. Jagged Alliance 2 (JA2) players have a really nasty behavior of calling that game JA (Jagged Alliance ("in general" for you)). Not always, but often. It makes work of searching for JA (Jagged Alliance (the game we're about now is actually called this way, not 1 (one), even less 2 (two), not "JA Metavira" too, but i have to add that stupid fake 1 all the time, coz other way somebody "hello, do you want to discuss Jagged Alliance 2 with us?" will appear) really hard. Google search for JA2 crap instead. JA2 info not precious, as JA2 have an open source code. Anyone who want to know how JA2 work can just read it, no need to write messages "i dont know ho to answer your question, but i think shooting will increase marksmanship", its described in code way better. Please, learn what when somebody write JA - its mean Jagged Alliance. If its about Jagged Alliance 2 (close, but another game of series) - he\she will write JA2. Its easy in fact.
Gopas wrote on Wed, 14 February 2018 17:58
I am pretty sure that the same ways of raising stats probably work in JA1. Trained by trainer, practice by themselves and of course field work.
Quote:Can anyone explain how it all really works?
Do you really qualify this version as an answer? "Your stats will rise via train or course field work". Really? Well, his question already state what he knows it.
Quote:In JA the most I'd usually see outside of an experience class increase is a single point increase in marksmanship and/or wisdom.
In DG shooting enemies seems to actually raise marksmanship and mechanics goes up by having the person practise their talents.
In both games after a number of days active a mercs XP class increases no matter what they actually do.
However after the first increase it seems only active field work has an affect but I have no idea what aspects of it do so.
See? He is definitely aware about increases due to course field work. Now you assure him they are indeed are.
About your initial version, youre "pretty sure that the same ways of raising stats probably work in JA1".
Its shorter to copy that is occasionally right (as its very banal "healing increase medicine skill" most of time). I have no strike thought here, so will use underline instead, as even copied part have to be shortened more.
Quote:Medical : assignment for medicine and maybe Wisdom.
Explosives, work in a Mine assignment or trained by another or practice.
Dexterity & Mechanical : They raise each other if repairing. Mechanical can also go up by Lockpicking a lot. Even failed Lockpicking attempts count in raising those stats.
Marksmanship : Training or practice assignments or fighting in the field.
Agility : tricky one, besides training or practice, only other way to raise it is to sneak back and forth near enemies - preferably at night - it's risky and it's best to have the option to sneak in real time ON , in both the INI.Editor and the in-game Options. It's worth raining it thoughStrength and Dexterity can also be raised by fighting melee (punching and knifing)
Ok, in JA1 repairing indeed do increase mechanical. Anyone who played this game can deduct it on their own. I cut bunch of stuff that absolutely not in JA1. No Strength, no Train-by-other, no Leadership, no Drassen Airport, no assignment to work in mine, no mines to work at etc. You could at least try to cut obviously JA2-only stuff, if you really thought they the same in some other places. They are indeed pretty close, as JA2 is reworked JA1, and even keep some JA1 bugs in it. But by keeping pre JA2 stuff there, you just directly pointed you have no idea you're about. Ah, but it was about "JA in general", meaning "JA2".
I really liked how you went straight from:
"I don't see JA1, only JA in general, so i figured i'd take the time to describe some stuff."
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"I am pretty sure that the same ways of raising stats probably work in JA1."
in a same same answer. So it was a really lucky coincidence you was answering something totally different coz you didnt bothered to read a question, but same time you pretty sure you answered right anyway. Lucky shot, no less.
And we're coming to real gem on a top of it (rooting well in paragraph above tho)
Gopas wrote on Wed, 14 February 2018 17:58 Are you playing the original JA1 or the JA Metavira 1 and 1/2 mod ?
Are you playing JA2 or tetris? Im afraid you never played Jagged Alliance (any of), only tetris. Whats my version is based on? Not on anything, just like your, but its possible in theory, right? Same way, if you'll accidentally guess right - it will means what you not only accidentally "guessed right" that "the same ways of raising stats probably work in JA1", but would be able to do a shocking revelation: "as you played that JA Metavira JA2 mod, it means you played JA2, and i actually wrote right stuff". Chance he indeed play some obscure weird mod for JA2 and not realizing it and calling it JA is negligible, but you take no risk doing it, right? Btw i have a JA2 full conversion mod on a JA1 engine (and a bridge to sell). Its really obscure (im not even released it yet), but now im in doubts too. Maybe you played not JA2 and not even tetris, but my JA1 Drassen mod all the time, and thought its called JA2 or "JA in general"? Seems pretty viable theory for me to share too then.
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Fri, 16 February 2018 14:48
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Damn Jahh, you have an excellent and detailed answer here somewhere (I just seen it minutes ago, going through unread messages), why you can't just link it here and end the discussion?
You sound so absurdly hostile, it almost entertaining, but in a bad way.
Btw most people, after first fast fail to find what they after, will create new question, and if you have answer somewhere, you just link it in every new noob question, that's how forums work, and here countless such two-post treads around here too, a question and a link to stuff.
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Fri, 16 February 2018 14:54
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http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=23366&goto=352390&#msg_352390
If I've done this right, then the link will take you to the correct page. This page just happens to be the top post in the Jagged Alliance and Deadly Games section of the forum. (Also it's pinned and has the tagline "Jahh's guides on how everything JA1 works")
Anyone who looks in the appropriate forum section can find the answer very easily. Whereas here it would've just got lost in the discussion.
Course if more people had looked where this topic was posted before responding, it may've reduced the number of irrelevant comments.
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Fri, 16 February 2018 15:54
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Ok Jahh, you are not trying to insult me, YOU DO insult me. No more mister nice guy, i'm done being civilised with you .
1. You tell Spam on your first message to look in the right forum for his answer but you do not telling him where. So much for being helpful.
2. Found your guide. Why not link it here directly instead of telling people what to do. Who the hell you think you are ? What gives you the right to do so and as Enneagon says, in a hostile and insulting way.
3. How is my information misleading ? Because it's not as detailed or accurate as yours ? Like iu said before, i am not a modder, just a player who tries to help. About your huge JA post. So now you want noobs to kiss your ass for that info ? Congrats,good for you, someone give him a medal. Those are things i have noticed playing JA2 since 1999. Played Tetris back when it first showed up as an arcade game. That was before PC.
4. I don't care ? I am pretending to be helpful ? THAT is YOUR opinion. MY opinion is that i am trying to help without pretending. Then why would i bother making a post with some information if i didn't care ?
5. You came up with a lot of wrong conclusions and you got upset at my post. Mind your own fucking business. These forums are to talk about gaming not about JUDGING other peoples posts. If you want to troll go do so on YouTube.
From now on you are being ignored. I am done arguing with an idiot.
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Fri, 16 February 2018 17:10
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Enneagon wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:48Btw most people, after first fast fail to find what they after, will create new question, and if you have answer somewhere, you just link it in every new noob question, that's how forums work, and here countless such two-post treads around here too, a question and a link to stuff.
Yes, and that's not a good way. If those people will learn how to operate data in general - its on its own will be way more useful for them that to learn some actually non-important fact about some computer game. If they will fail in both - the fact they will miss some game fact is really unimportant in comparison.
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Ok Jahh, you are not trying to insult me, YOU DO insult me. No more mister nice guy, i'm done being civilised with you .
No, im not, telling you again. I never tried to insult you, neither successfully or fail way. Im pretty sure its against rules of forum, for a start, also its stupid and pointless.
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1. You tell Spam on your first message to look in the right forum for his answer but you do not telling him where. So much for being helpful.
I had some other tries with other users essentially using proposed method, with posting links, it didn't worked well. I decided to experiment here, and it worked well, he had no problem doing proposed work on his own (its very easy actually). You managed to not notice it still or what? Maybe its language barrier indeed (my English is quite weak)?
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2. Found your guide. Why not link it here directly instead of telling people what to do. Who the hell you think you are ? What gives you the right to do so and as Enneagon says, in a hostile and insulting way.
Because there is no need of link here. Its very easy to locate, if one want to, nobody beside you had a problem with it, maybe you don't even tried or so. The reason of telling people what to do is quite simple: likely you'll gent no reasonable answer on JA1 stuff in innternets. I can provide some, but i cant provide its any way. I cant answer on a question on a Chinese. Surely i could rush and learn Chinese, or hire somebody to translate it etc, and try to answer still. It would been really perfect from my side, surely, but i wouldnt, i have no time and im not on a pay job as Nordic Games employee or so. Same goes with stupid and disruptive questions, except i can try to explain how to make them operable (unlike Chinese ones, that would be way worse case).
Quote:3. How is my information misleading ? Because it's not as detailed or accurate as yours ? Like iu said before, i am not a modder, just a player who tries to help. About your huge JA post. So now you want noobs to kiss your ass for that info ? Congrats,good for you, someone give him a medal. Those are things i have noticed playing JA2 since 1999. Played Tetris back when it first showed up as an arcade game. That was before PC.
I did wrote a post reviewing your information, with explanations how, it even have a quoted small part of your message that wasn't misleading. You mixed it with insult or so, while it was sorta work. Try to re(?)-read it.
Also likely you mix "modder" with some other words. Say JA2 have a huge 1.13 version upgrade, with various configs for managing game values. You or me, or anyone can install it, open one of configs, change one value and become modder. Becoming it will not teach you or me or anyone else anything on its own on auto. Why modding is your concern at here? One can be modder and have very limited knowledge about game (likely he will be bad modder, but we wasnt about modding quality yet).
I see you did read tetris example about trying to throw some random wild guesses, but still thrown one about ass? That not looking good near "Those are things i have noticed playing JA2 since 1999.", really. Initial point you manage to miss still, that you prove with that line is what you come here with breaking banal news about JA2 mechanics, was pointed on the fact its show you didnt read, as topic is about JA, responded that you didnt readed indeed, but you been right, as JA=JA2, was pointed again, and again, and now you back to a start, "but that how JA2 work, im helpful!".
Ok, as i dont want to do a check if the posted mechanics indeed work claimed way in JA2 (by now i assumed they are), as it will require a study of a game not being of deep interest for me personally, and as you dont read even the previous review concerning JA1 (we're about here) its even less interesting.
Ill explain why the point you manage to miss is of my concern. I see it as "Hey, here you answer, friend, ok, its actually even not about game you asked about, as i dont even bothered to read a question, even after being pointed few times, but as fellow player im helpful, so enjoy it". We know what JA2 have a huge update called v1.13. Now suppose a topic with name like "Hey, i want to update my JA2 i bought on gog to 1.13, what to do?". And. JA1 also have a patch called v1.13, you know(?). So im rushing to topic, and post links to JA1 v 1.13 patch, explaining which files to overwrite with it etc. And explaining other ones what im trying to be helpful as a fellow player. The fact the guy will have a broken install of game in result of my helpful actions is not a deep problem. He can reinstall. He just will waste some time for nothing. Because im trying to be helpful, and dont read what he ask about, but provide a links with instructions (the way you asked for above). Surely it would be somewhat a own mistake from that guy, as all info about 1.13 install are already present and searchable. But his mistake with my action will lead to problem what my wrong and misleading answer will be searchable too from now, so some other guy can hit it occasionally. Its elaborate enough explanation i hope?
Quote:4. I don't care ? I am pretending to be helpful ? THAT is YOUR opinion. MY opinion is that i am trying to help without pretending. Then why would i bother making a post with some information if i didn't care ?
Yes, you seems to not care. You had been told some times already, what you provide a wrong info, because you didnt bothered to read a question. You keep going telling you're helpful. You're not. Maybe "pretending" is not perfect word, and its my fault. You're not helpful, you've been pointed why you're not, you keep telling you actually are, instead of fixing own error. Not "pretending", let somebody with better English edit it.
Quote:5. You came up with a lot of wrong conclusions and you got upset at my post. Mind your own fucking business. These forums are to talk about gaming not about JUDGING other peoples posts. If you want to troll go do so on YouTube.
Explained on 3.
Quote:From now on you are being ignored. I am done arguing with an idiot.
If you just started with it - it would been way better, less white noise posts from you. But better late than never, thanks.
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