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github11.png  [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352891] Mon, 02 April 2018 10:53 Go to next message
LLIkaOIO

 
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Like crepitus do it. (attack happens on random time, but from edge of tropical or forest sectors; if player fail to defend sector, cats will kill civilians).
Amount of cats (3-15) depends on:
- game progress
- quantity of militia and mercs in sector
- etc.
So, what do you think?

[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2018 07:11]

Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352894 is a reply to message #352891] Mon, 02 April 2018 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Victor_Tadeu

 
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I'm not proud to admit it but took me some seconds to realize you are talking about bloodcats and not regular pet cats. I was like "wtf this guys is talking about" but now I'm giggling a little.

[Updated on: Mon, 02 April 2018 13:33]




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Aw: Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352898 is a reply to message #352894] Mon, 02 April 2018 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ATigersClaw

 
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I like this idea and first I was thinking about attacking pet cats as well, haha.



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Re: Aw: Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352900 is a reply to message #352898] Mon, 02 April 2018 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Victor_Tadeu

 
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ATigersClaw wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 07:17
I like this idea and first I was thinking about attacking pet cats as well, haha.


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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352903 is a reply to message #352894] Mon, 02 April 2018 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LLIkaOIO

 
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big grin happy shy shy shy

[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2018 07:10]

Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352904 is a reply to message #352903] Mon, 02 April 2018 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Victor_Tadeu

 
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LLIkaOIO wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:06
big grin edited first post happy


Do not ruin it! I had to picture for a sec a city being overrun by pet cats, murdering civilians and fighting armed international mercenaries! What if some modder actually go for it? Don't take it away from us! Could be the 1.13 update for april's first next year!

[Updated on: Mon, 02 April 2018 15:13]




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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352905 is a reply to message #352904] Mon, 02 April 2018 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Code-wise, this is relatively easy to do. What is missing though is adding bloodcats to auto-resolve (otherwise the player could simply avoid these attacks by not being near offending sectors), so at minimum auto-resolve faces for blodcat & dead bloodcat are needed.

Though fighting bloodcats is simply tedious, especially at night. Especially once militia have upgraded to ARs.



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352908 is a reply to message #352905] Mon, 02 April 2018 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
townltu

 
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While i like the idea of sectors being attacked by another faction in general,
i refuse to kill bloodcats unless in urgent self defence.
(and do more rp related stuff other players may regard as utterly stupid;)


So i would appreciate to optionally have random attacks by zombies instead of cats,
perhaps controlled by sector specific entry in maps.xml.
As i understand they are technically similar to bloodcats regarding faction rating&hostility towards all other factions,
player also has more options to configure their combat performance than for bloodcats,
and they are potentially hard enough to not result in tedious battle.

Could also include zombie hordes and/or cat packs into scout/militia/HQ recon results.
Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352909 is a reply to message #352908] Mon, 02 April 2018 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Zombies have the same autoresolve issue and are a lot slower than bloodcats. Additionally they are only optional, whereas bloodcats could be expected to pop up everywhere.



“What are you doing?” Joffrey interrupted him.

“… can’t a man give a few last words for his son to carry?”

“…Who told you your son was making it out of this field alive?”

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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352913 is a reply to message #352909] Tue, 03 April 2018 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Victor_Tadeu

 
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And your toughts about the pet cats attack, Flugente? We know it's possible irl, but could it be made ingame?



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352914 is a reply to message #352913] Tue, 03 April 2018 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Eh? Of course it's possible with bloodcats, as I said above, they already exist. It's possible with anything, including kittens. That would require a kitten bodytype, and kitten animations though, which nobody would ever be assed to create, so the point is kinda moot, isn't it?



“What are you doing?” Joffrey interrupted him.

“… can’t a man give a few last words for his son to carry?”

“…Who told you your son was making it out of this field alive?”

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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352916 is a reply to message #352905] Tue, 03 April 2018 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LLIkaOIO

 
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Flugente wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 12:47
Though fighting bloodcats is simply tedious, especially at night. Especially once militia have upgraded to ARs.

Yes, killing blood-cats in 1.13 is easier than in vanilla, because 1.13 has _real_ autofire feature.
But this attacks may be _real_ PITA when you _begin_ to capture a town (for example - Cambria):
you come there at night, wipe three sectors (from hospital to mine), begin to train militia and at this moment cats may appear. With that feature you will need to redistribute mercs to captured sectors to secure them. So, no more one-night-whole-city-wipeouts, you will need to plan what sectors you capture first, then secure them, and then go further.
And may be bloodcats need to be boosted somehow. Make them harder to interrupt, give them nightops trait big grin , or something...
Flugente wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 12:47
(otherwise the player could simply avoid these attacks by not being near offending sectors)

I mean attack must be _inside_ city sector, not in sector which is adjacent to city...

[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2018 07:50]

Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352917 is a reply to message #352916] Tue, 03 April 2018 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
May be bloodcats need to be boosted somehow. Make them harder to interrupt, give them nightops trait big grin , or something...


Try throwing a grenade at a Bloodcat that's charging at you - fun, fun. (the operative word there is "try").




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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352918 is a reply to message #352917] Tue, 03 April 2018 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LLIkaOIO

 
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edmortimer wrote on Tue, 03 April 2018 04:45
Quote:
May be bloodcats need to be boosted somehow. Make them harder to interrupt, give them nightops trait big grin , or something...


Try throwing a grenade at a Bloodcat that's charging at you - fun, fun. (the operative word there is "try").

Every squad i recruit have a merc with scouting trait so, no... i do not see any bloodcat ingame.

[Updated on: Tue, 03 April 2018 08:02]

Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352919 is a reply to message #352918] Tue, 03 April 2018 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
silversurfer

 
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If someone wants to implement this please make it an optional feature like the zombies. I don't see much sense in a bloodcat army that appears out of nowhere and attacks towns.



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352928 is a reply to message #352919] Tue, 03 April 2018 22:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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While this seemed somewhat boring to me, after thinking about it a bit, this might be more useful than I previously thought, after proper alterations.

Idea would be that bloodcats attack not properly defended city sectors under the players control. They would mostly come at night... mostly.
This would target only very lightly or not all defended city/SAM sectors. That would both be reasonable - predating animals would target weak spots - and be an incentive for the player to properly secure his territory. Enemy heli drops have a similar goal and can happen much more rapidly, but can be thwarted with proper air defense or sabotage. As these attacks can happen anywhere (as long as the sector can be reached from an adjacent wilderness sector, so west Grumm would be out), the player has to at least put a token militia force everywhere.

Come to think about it, this would not need to be bloodcats. Zombies, of one were to play with that, would work as well. As well as, say bandits (or perhaps those would just be ASD-controlled, deniable thugs acting on behalf of the queen). Having only access to admin-level gear, the player won't even benefit that much from defeating them.

Considering the we already have creature attacks that happen out of thin air, I see no significant obstacles here. All attacking forces would vanish once they have won, after eating part of the population and causing a huge loyalty drop.

All these attack forces would need to work with autoresolve of course - so what I now need are fitting pictures for alive/dead bloodcat, zombie/more deader zombie, alive/dead male/female bandit (using the other human faces would be confusing). We currently have:

https://i.imgur.com/mX6axpS.png



“What are you doing?” Joffrey interrupted him.

“… can’t a man give a few last words for his son to carry?”

“…Who told you your son was making it out of this field alive?”

If you want, you can donate to me. This will not affect how and what I code, and I will not code specific features in return. I will be thankful though.


Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352932 is a reply to message #352928] Wed, 04 April 2018 01:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
townltu

 
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Flugente wrote on Tue, 03 April 2018 22:36
...
All these attack forces would need to work with autoresolve of course - so what I now need are fitting pictures for alive/dead bloodcat, zombie/more deader zombie, alive/dead male/female bandit (using the other human faces would be confusing). We currently have:

https://i.imgur.com/mX6axpS.png


Are the pictures in correct dimension, i.e. 30x27 pixel?
Anyway, can somebody pls give me a hint where to find them?
(already messed up CF by browsing through too big stis;)


Made some quick attempts assuming 30x27 is correct:

https://i.imgur.com/Osh2urV.png

first 2 are based on 3d model from Psionics.uk, all others are Wiz8 3D models retextured to zombie,
all copied from 3d editor window while models are slowly moving,
so there should be some potential to improve them.

p.s.
to make them even deader,
i think they could simply be reduced to greyscale and darkend

[Updated on: Wed, 04 April 2018 01:11]

Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352933 is a reply to message #352932] Wed, 04 April 2018 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Good start! You can find the faces in Data/Interface/SMFACES.STI.



“What are you doing?” Joffrey interrupted him.

“… can’t a man give a few last words for his son to carry?”

“…Who told you your son was making it out of this field alive?”

If you want, you can donate to me. This will not affect how and what I code, and I will not code specific features in return. I will be thankful though.


Aw: Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352940 is a reply to message #352928] Wed, 04 April 2018 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ATigersClaw

 
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Flugente schrieb am Di, 03 April 2018 21:36
While this seemed somewhat boring to me, after thinking about it a bit, this might be more useful than I previously thought, after proper alterations.

Idea would be that bloodcats attack not properly defended city sectors under the players control. They would mostly come at night... mostly.
This would target only very lightly or not all defended city/SAM sectors. That would both be reasonable - predating animals would target weak spots - and be an incentive for the player to properly secure his territory. Enemy heli drops have a similar goal and can happen much more rapidly, but can be thwarted with proper air defense or sabotage. As these attacks can happen anywhere (as long as the sector can be reached from an adjacent wilderness sector, so west Grumm would be out), the player has to at least put a token militia force everywhere.

Come to think about it, this would not need to be bloodcats. Zombies, of one were to play with that, would work as well. As well as, say bandits (or perhaps those would just be ASD-controlled, deniable thugs acting on behalf of the queen). Having only access to admin-level gear, the player won't even benefit that much from defeating them.

Considering the we already have creature attacks that happen out of thin air, I see no significant obstacles here. All attacking forces would vanish once they have won, after eating part of the population and causing a huge loyalty drop.


As mentioned in my first post, I like the idea of bloodcats attacking mostly at night every now and then, with two or three cats at max but the idea with the thugs/thiefs or even smugglers (as used in Arulco Revisited) is an even greater addition. It could be a squad of weapon smugglers who just happen to pass through town and feel offended by our mercs or the local militia and therefore start going nuts. This could add to immersion alot.



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352946 is a reply to message #352933] Wed, 04 April 2018 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
townltu

 
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Flugente wrote on Wed, 04 April 2018 02:00
...
You can find the faces in Data/Interface/SMFACES.STI.


Thank you for the hint.



The rather elaborate results, i.e. not much room for improvent left for my skills:

https://i.imgur.com/i3Cs6do.png

The lower half has pics for "deader than undead" creatures
Keep in mind that i did not test them in game,
pls let me know in case flaws show up there, respectively if they dont work at all, so i can try to fix them.
Also anybody pls feel free to edit these, present your own creations, or make suggestions on how to improve something.



Although the pics very low LoD will hardly cause related issues,
the obligatory copyright/credits related info, pics numbered from upper left to lower right:

Programs used in the process:
Madgods Cosmic Forge editor for Wizardry 6/7/8; The Gimp; Irfanview;
Project1.exe aka improved stiEditor.exe by batman (allows batch import of *.bmp to multi frame .sti)

Pictures 1-4 and 17-20: created from screenshots of a free 3D animated zombie model provided by psionics.uk,
package included the texture for the mesh, variations of the original texture were done by me.
(site is down, according to readme in the zombies package "attribution is appreciated but not required")
Pictures 5-9 and 21-25: based on Qusaris texture mod for a Wizardry 8 model as part of his Reforged Mod, which is PD.
Pictures 10-12 and 26-29: textures of Wizardry 8.

Pictures 13-16 and 30-33: based on the picture of a skull found at Teviec, France,
released on Wikipedia under CC 4.0 Attribution-Share Alike int license by user Didier Descouens, see: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Teviec_Face.jpg



p.s. not much cat stuff here, except for few rakshasa faces(humanoid/cat hybrid),
fantasy style deformed sabretooth heads and a lynx with slim teeth which may fit best among all cat stuff i have:
https://i.imgur.com/E6N0MLb.gif
Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352954 is a reply to message #352946] Thu, 05 April 2018 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
townltu

 
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Portraits had wrong black background color which transformed to tranparent in .sti
and big palette flaws which produced graphical glitches.
Sorry for not testing in game before publishing.


Background color was changed from pure Black value [00 00 00] to value of portaits in smfaces.sti [01 01 01]
Attempt to adjust pics 11, 12 and 28 so that they fit to .sti palette, somewhat;)

https://i.imgur.com/9DsR5Wq.png
Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352962 is a reply to message #352954] Thu, 05 April 2018 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Victor_Tadeu

 
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Wait... there are actually some very good things happening here! I like the idea of a zombie and thug attack!



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #352983 is a reply to message #352962] Fri, 06 April 2018 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gopas

 
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Animals will not go into cities unless extremely hungry, animals are afraid of humans and the vibe of the city (noise,lights,etc, same as they keep away from fire) except in rare occasions, such as the Ghost and the Darkness. Those 2 lions were very strange. They were homosexuals, sharing the same lair without harems of females and they killed for sport, not hunger.

What worries me is the civilians. Enemy soldiers are fighting only the militia, they may sometimes accidentally shoot a civilian that didn't bother to get out of the crossfire and duck. Once in Cambria, an enemy bullet killed a kid. While it was sad it also impressed me for the gritty realism the game was showing. Along the same lines, bug spray, while it is aimed at militia, can also harm civilians if they are too close to the point of impact.
Which raises some questions.....

1. Will the bloodcats/zombies will be able to discriminate between armed opponents and unarmed civilians ?
2. Civilians getting caught in the crossfire and get killed , can they respawn as different civilians over time ? Otherwise the city sectors will become devoid of life.
3. What about the named NPC's ? Quest givers, Repairers, etc, the ones that add immersion and color to the game. In San Mona for instance, almost everyone is armed yet they appear as civilians. Also there are many named NPS's. What will happen to them if we have zombies and bloodcats attacking every city, in addition to the army and the bugs ?

In my opinion, the best way to implement bloodcat attacks , would be Optional, same as with the Ini.Editor settings for zombies. And in much smaller numbers, although that option concerning number of creatures in tactical can go as high as 40. Very unrealistic when it comes to bloodcats. The bugs procreate through eggs, which mean thousands/millions so the high number of creatures works ok for them. Even with their size, birthing dozens would still justify the high number of attacking creatures. Not so for the bloodcats though. By the way, since the bugs spit acid (Alien franchise), why do they attack the cities for ? Maybe there should be some egg morphing implemented ? ;D

[Updated on: Sun, 08 April 2018 10:53]




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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353005 is a reply to message #352983] Sun, 08 April 2018 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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These raids are intended to happen in player-controlled sectors that are lightly or not at all defended, at least for bloodcats and bandits. Zombies are simply too stupid to care, but having dozens of them pop up suddenly would be just unfair, so zombie raids will also be small.

1. All creatures, whether bugs, bloodcats or zombies, have always attacked everyone else, including civilians (apart from Meduna Arena, but that is a silly place). I don't see why they shouldn't. If the player fails to defend his sectors, their fault.
Due to coding reasons, bandits will also be part of the creature team, so will attack civilians too. Might be somewhat harsh if we treat them as mere criminals, but is understandable is we follow the motion that these are expendable, deniable terror attacks secretly funded by the queen.
2. If I recall all civs in a sector respawn once all have been killed. If the attack and defeat happens in autoresolve, or if no battle happens because nobody defends a sector, you get a prompt saying that x civs have been killed and morale drops, but that does not affect civs shown in tactical.
Given the small numbers involved and the AI does not exactly hunt for civs hiding in buildings, it would require a player deliberately hiding in combat to allow the AI to truly depopulate a sector.
3. People die if they are killed. They aren't really any NPCs whose deaths would break the game (If I recall, you still get money from a mine, even if the head miner was killed, if you were not the one to kill them).

Note that I'll add xml settings that control in which sectors these attacks can happen, and that the entire thing only makes sense if this is a town/SAM sector that has value to the player.

While it would make a lot of sense for bloodcats to attack isolated farms, at least in the current game, there is hardly any incnetive to defend them, nor is there a loyalty penalty involved. Similar, as San Mona has no working mine, no loyalty and no militia training possibility (at least in stock), these attacks would only happen if we are there. Which doesn't make sense, why would someone attack if there are more armed people than usually there? That's not even mentioning that it would be royally stupid for bloodcats or bandits to attack a town where almost everyone is armed.
This doesn't necessarily hold true for zombies, but... fuck those guys, honestly.

As for bugs, their attacks are a vanilla feature - they attack sectors if the player fails to cull them in time, as they slowly move upwards from their lair.
Note that in the Alien franchise, the drones do not spit acid (ranged attacks involving literally spending your own blood in hue quantities seem inefficient). Additionally, the Demise of Man mod alredy has the entire Alien lifecycle implemented. You can start as a fachugger, infect some dude, run around as a chestburster, then a drone, then a queen. I once made my hive in Drassen mine, infecting all the miners and creating dozens of drones. Only to find out that yes, attacking ranged enemies with melee-only drones sucks :-)



“What are you doing?” Joffrey interrupted him.

“… can’t a man give a few last words for his son to carry?”

“…Who told you your son was making it out of this field alive?”

If you want, you can donate to me. This will not affect how and what I code, and I will not code specific features in return. I will be thankful though.


Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353007 is a reply to message #353005] Sun, 08 April 2018 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
townltu

 
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Flugente wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 14:33
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3. People die if they are killed. They aren't really any NPCs whose deaths would break the game (If I recall, you still get money from a mine, even if the head miner was killed, if you were not the one to kill them).
...

For Calvin Blakemores mine i have proven on regular base;) that income does not stop if we deliberately kill him.
For all other head miners mines i can only reliably confirm
that they continue to produce income if the head miner was killed by enemy.


Besides, do you already have sabertooth alive/dead potraits?
In case not, these are the imo best i found:
painting by Charles R. Knight, the imo best PD, but it will suffer from ~ -45deg rotation
Good pics with attribution/share-alike copyright:Smilodon Fatalis by Sergiodlarosa and Smilodon Fatalis by Dantheman9758
Did not find a good sabertooth skull sideview, was thinking about adding teeth to a free pic of common big cat skull.



Regarding the posted portraits, any merciless feedback or suggestion what/how to improve?
(note the ones with blue background are the raw pics created from screenshots,
i only added them in case somebody with better editing skills than me would like to work on them)

My personal favourite for a zombie would be either 4 or 9,
10 and 11 as only options for bandits arent imo really that great,
perhaps the guy in the upper left from the pic in this message ?
My skull favourite is 28, i didnt even bother to test any other in game(but will & fix issues if appreciated)
and think a skull also fits best for dead_dead zombies, i.e. forget the greyed clones.
Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353008 is a reply to message #353007] Sun, 08 April 2018 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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I'm currently using this:

https://i.imgur.com/T8V2v6X.png

These are 31x27 pixel pics, so large paintings aren't that useful. What I'd now need are pics for male/female bandit, because reusing existing soldier pics is somewhat confusing.



“What are you doing?” Joffrey interrupted him.

“… can’t a man give a few last words for his son to carry?”

“…Who told you your son was making it out of this field alive?”

If you want, you can donate to me. This will not affect how and what I code, and I will not code specific features in return. I will be thankful though.


Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353009 is a reply to message #353008] Sun, 08 April 2018 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
townltu

 
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Flugente wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 16:42
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These are 31x27 pixel pics, so large paintings aren't that useful.

Well i would of course crop the head & scale it down to 31x27,
but why make the effort before the actual decision to really use them, pics should be sufficient for that.
Scaling down requires at least contrast&color correction plus occasional manual edits,
i am a very lazy person and making JA2 portraits is mostly an addmittedly appreciated distraction from modding Wiz8 ;)


Quote:
What I'd now need are pics for male/female bandit, because reusing existing soldier pics is somewhat confusing.


how about these male bandits:
https://i.imgur.com/VRaRwLK.png
(Wiz 8 character portraits, may cause reactions ranging from confusion to biggrin for wiz8 veterans)
Female potraits: see below/above.

[Updated on: Sun, 08 April 2018 21:31]

Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353010 is a reply to message #353009] Sun, 08 April 2018 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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That will be useful, yes. Hmm. Perhaps I will use several at once, in order not to make them all so uniform (after all, these are bandits and not members of an organized military).



“What are you doing?” Joffrey interrupted him.

“… can’t a man give a few last words for his son to carry?”

“…Who told you your son was making it out of this field alive?”

If you want, you can donate to me. This will not affect how and what I code, and I will not code specific features in return. I will be thankful though.


Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353012 is a reply to message #353010] Sun, 08 April 2018 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
townltu

 
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More pics incl some Felpurr aka cat hybrids&skull in case any modder thinks they fit into the project.
1st the raw copies from stiEditor (just in case somebody with better editing skills ... ;)
followed by the actual portraits at the bottom.
The variation for #13 is a simple attempt to adjust the pics colors to the palette of smFaces.sti
(sti palette color[93 68 4b] pasted as transparent layer over pic)

Transparecy issues should all be removed, but i think the colors are somewhat ugly in stiEditor,
though i did not not check them in game, let me know what you think, i may be able to improve them a little.


https://i.imgur.com/x5zAhY8.png
Credits: Wizardry 8 team&Sir-Tech for the pitures, batman for project1.exe, The Gimp as editing tool,
and last not least Kungens Män & Knall (see bandcamp.com) for powering the whole process.



Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353013 is a reply to message #353012] Sun, 08 April 2018 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Thanks, I will try them out. I am not familiar with Wizardry8, did the game only use these portraits, or were there also additional eye/mouth movement pics used (did the character pics blink and talk)?



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353014 is a reply to message #353013] Sun, 08 April 2018 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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Hmm. Try making the background transparent before cutting it down, that would help.



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353015 is a reply to message #353014] Sun, 08 April 2018 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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This is how it looks now (20 bandits):

https://i.imgur.com/2jBMhVn.png

I am sure someone with actual graphic experience will be able to make that look better.

[Updated on: Sun, 08 April 2018 22:49]




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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353016 is a reply to message #353013] Sun, 08 April 2018 23:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Flugente wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 21:54
...
did the game only use these portraits, or were there also additional eye/mouth movement pics used (did the character pics blink and talk)?
Yes the portraits incl frames for the eyes and for the mouth like for JA2 portraits,
probably corresponding to same expressions.

Didnt know we also need these for the auto resolve,
will require to redo all from scratch for animated eyes/mouth
as each pic edit was individual and differrent values for contrast/brightness/colors not noted down, of course;)
However it may be a challenge to get something thats is comprehensively recognizeble as movement in the 31x27 portraits,
it was already hard for me to create animated faces for Wiz8 portraits and moving mouth textures at ~ 3x that resolution.
Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353017 is a reply to message #353016] Sun, 08 April 2018 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Flugente

 
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No, we don't need them for autoresolve, the little pics from above are enough.

However, if these anims do exist (and you can extract them), then that means we have face animations for a dozen or so new IMPs or mercs! This is, like, extremely unexpected and good!!! Need!



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353022 is a reply to message #353017] Mon, 09 April 2018 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh yeah, Aliens didn't spit acid, only had acidic blood, which when i first played the vanilla JA2 back in 1999, made me think that the idea about the bugs, had maybe something to do with the movies.



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Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353041 is a reply to message #353022] Tue, 10 April 2018 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2 smilodon aka sabercat heads:

https://i.imgur.com/8qRnxtg.png

Merciless feedback is appreciated
Re: [Idea] Cat attacks city sectors at night[message #353155 is a reply to message #353041] Sun, 15 April 2018 17:43 Go to previous message
Flugente

 
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Relevant thread is relevant.

@townltu: I did not use the sabercats - as we have no skull in similar style, that would look somehwat odd. For me the solution in the video suffices.

[Updated on: Sun, 15 April 2018 17:44]




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