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Every time I train militia, in any city, only a single militia (green at that) is trained. I am training with a 61 and 60 leadership merc (one IMP, one not).

I've reinstalled twice and started from scratch, but still having this issue. The ini file settings (Max militia trained and whatnot) also seem to have no effect. Does anyone have a solution for this?

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364286 is a reply to message #364285] Fri, 04 February 2022 03:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Every time I train militia, in any city, only a single militia (green at that) is trained. I am training with a 61 and 60 leadership merc (one IMP, one not).

I've reinstalled twice and started from scratch, but still having this issue. The ini file settings (Max militia trained and whatnot) also seem to have no effect. Does anyone have a solution for this?

It is as intended . . . bummer, they don't want to be cannon fodder. In AV you'll need one of the rebels with high leadership or a teacher with very high leadership. To change it and make it easier make sure you are changing the JA2_Options.ini in the Data-AV folder.

; Militia training bonus for RPC (as a percentage of the normal training speed)
; If set to positive, RPCs (Ira, Miguel, etc) train militia a bit faster.
RPC_BONUS_TO_MILITIA_TRAINING_RATE = 25

; Minimum leadership skill required to be able to train Militia at all
MINIMUM_LEADERSHIP_TO_TRAIN_MILITIA = 33

; If TRUE, having higher leadership allows training more militia (up to MAX_TRAINING_SQUAD_SIZE).
LEADERSHIP_AFFECTS_MILITIA_QUANTITY = TRUE

; Required amount of Leadership Skill to train a full unit of militia (MAX_TRAINING_SQUAD_SIZE) every session.
REQ_LEADERSHIP_FOR_MAX_MILITIA = 86

; Bonus to Leadership given by each level of the TEACHING trait. This only affects the various settings that test
; Leadership to see whether you can train militia and how many (does not affect training SPEED). Also affects Mobile Militia
; training.
; 100 = no bonus. 150 = 50% bonus. etcetera
; Note: This is only used if Old Trait System is played
TEACHER_TRAIT_EFFECT_ON_LEADERSHIP = 100

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364293 is a reply to message #364286] Sat, 05 February 2022 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks. I reinstalled again, went with Henning and Scully(?) both who have 70+, and am training 6 at a time now. One other question, though: Periodically while training militia in Drassen, support will drop below the threshold to train militia. Why does this happen and how can I kill it? It's annoying AF.

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364296 is a reply to message #364293] Sat, 05 February 2022 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Miguel should be able to train a full compliment of militia, as will Colonel Roachburn. There are a few others who are good at it - Rev is good at it, and cheap. I made it tough because I think it was too easy. However, whenever I made something more difficult, I also modified or added something to even things out again. There is another option you can modify, the Teacher bonus:

TEACHER_TRAIT_BONUS_TO_TRAINING_EFFICIENCY = 33


Loyalty in towns was also made more difficult because it was basically automatic before - even though the dialogue strongly indicated otherwise. I made it very difficult in some towns (like Alma & Grumm). You can modify it in Cities.xml in the ../Data-AV/TableData/Map folder. Vanilla for Drassen is 90 ,but in AV it is 15 (higher = favor rebels, lower = favor Queen).

If any patrols occupy (even briefly) any town sectors you have already liberated then you lose control of those sectors and impede your ability to train militia until liberate them again.

The Maximum number of militia calculation also includes the number of rebels in your team.

Some Facilities have negative effects on town loyalty (if the character does poorly at the job).


[Updated on: Sat, 05 February 2022 15:23]

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364300 is a reply to message #364296] Sat, 05 February 2022 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Interesting, but no soldiers have occupied my towns. I have Drassen completely occupied, with ~20 militia in the central sector. Then I went back to Omerta, cleared out the one occupied sector there, trained ~60 militia, and headed for the Drassen SAM site. By the time I got there, Drassen loyalty had dropped to 0, even though no soldiers had occupied any of the territories I had cleared. Will changing that setting in the XML stop loyalty from dropping like this?

Also, this may be a bug, but Ira keeps complaining about that 'Malice character' even though Malice is not in my squad.

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364301 is a reply to message #364300] Sun, 06 February 2022 00:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, this may be a bug, but Ira keeps complaining about that 'Malice character' even though Malice is not in my squad.
I thought I fixed that a long time ago. You have Scope in the party. In MercProfiles.xml in Ira's profile (59) in the LearnToHate is the number 32 (Scope) when it ahould be 36 (Malice). I don't think changing it mid-game will take, but you can try.

If they occupy any sector of a town, it drops Loyalty, and if they occupy any sector of Omerta you can't train any militia. If a town loyalty is low it will drop because of the settings I have in AV -- so bringing the number for the cities over 50 should make them not drop unless something bad happens otherwise. I could be wrong though.

There are new facilities to deal with loyalty, and one of the reasons I made it so difficult was to give the snitch a 'legitimate' public relations job, and to make that job valuable so it has to be taken into strategic consideration.

There are also 2 residential sectors that the mercs are not welcome at - at the loyalty will drop fast if any are stationed there. One of those sectors happens to be a 'high traffic' sector, making it a real headache. That one is in Cambria, and the other is in Grumm. However, in both sectors there is a facility for the snitch to boost town loyalty through public relations.

However, town loyalty dropping fast to zero from a high score is not intended in any sector.

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364302 is a reply to message #364301] Sun, 06 February 2022 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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edmortimer wrote on Sun, 06 February 2022 00:58
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Also, this may be a bug, but Ira keeps complaining about that 'Malice character' even though Malice is not in my squad.
I thought I fixed that a long time ago. You have Scope in the party. In MercProfiles.xml in Ira's profile (59) in the LearnToHate is the number 32 (Scope) when it ahould be 36 (Malice). I don't think changing it mid-game will take, but you can try.
Yep, scope is in the party. I'll probably just leave Ira in Omerta then, she's fairly close to useless in AV as far as I can see.

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If they occupy any sector of a town, it drops Loyalty, and if they occupy any sector of Omerta you can't train any militia. If a town loyalty is low it will drop because of the settings I have in AV -- so bringing the number for the cities over 50 should make them not drop unless something bad happens otherwise. I could be wrong though.

Here's what happened. I was training militia in Drassen when soldiers took over the left sector in Omerta. Loyalty dropped to where I couldn't train militia in Drassen then, but was still pretty darn high in Omerta (70-ish IIRC). I high tail it back to Omerta, liberate the sector, then train up 60 militia. In the meantime, Drassen keeps dropping (though still occupied by me only in all three sectors). I head back over to find Skyrider and knock out the SAM site, and by the time I get to the SAM site, Drassen has dropped to 0.

My big question at this point, is what can I do about it? Should I just reload a REALLY old save? Not sure what I could do different though. Taking another city might get me where I can train in Drassen again (I've already taken out all the patrols around Drassen), but that is just going to put me back in the same situation, where the loyalty drops while I try to get back to train militia. Feels unwinnable.

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364303 is a reply to message #364302] Sun, 06 February 2022 02:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, scope is in the party. I'll probably just leave Ira in Omerta then, she's fairly close to useless in AV as far as I can see.
Um, OK. Everybody in AV has a use, even Reuben, but not every character fits into everybody's gaming style. If you want the old style JA2 you will be forever frustrated by AV. AV is a vacation -from- the regular JA2. That said, the problem with the Loyalty is not intended, and though I seem to recall some bug similar to this from years ago I am sure Sevenfm has fixed that one. So I don't know what's causing this to happen to you.

I will try to replicate it.

[Updated on: Sun, 06 February 2022 02:21]

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364305 is a reply to message #364303] Sun, 06 February 2022 19:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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edmortimer wrote on Sun, 06 February 2022 02:20
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Yep, scope is in the party. I'll probably just leave Ira in Omerta then, she's fairly close to useless in AV as far as I can see.
Um, OK. Everybody in AV has a use, even Reuben, but not every character fits into everybody's gaming style. If you want the old style JA2 you will be forever frustrated by AV. AV is a vacation -from- the regular JA2. That said, the problem with the Loyalty is not intended, and though I seem to recall some bug similar to this from years ago I am sure Sevenfm has fixed that one. So I don't know what's causing this to happen to you.

I will try to replicate it.
Yea, sorry if I came across overly critical. I like AV but I'm a little frustrated. Ira was always a militia trainer for me in JA2, since it takes so long for her to get good at shooting (even with her high wisdom), but she's in the same boat with training in AV since she starts with such a low leadership. So she is kind of just baggage so far, though she is at least free baggage happy

On the bug, I installed from all of the links in the sticky, and followed the directions pretty precisely this time (I think failing a few steps was why I was only training 1 militia before), but it's possible I still grabbed the wrong package or something.

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Re: Single militia trained?[message #364306 is a reply to message #364305] Sun, 06 February 2022 23:46 Go to previous message
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On the bug, I installed from all of the links in the sticky, and followed the directions pretty precisely this time (I think failing a few steps was why I was only training 1 militia before), but it's possible I still grabbed the wrong package or something.
I haven't officially updated in long while (guess that should get done soon) so you're good on that front. Ya never know - some flag could have gotten set erroneously, or not removed correctly due to a crash or . . . whatever. The coding is beyond my skill. Or . . . there could be one of my typos in the exact wrong spot in an xml that hasn't been caught yet.

No worries - JA2 has been around forever, it seems, and we've all gotten used to doing things a certain way. That is one of the reasons I do this - is to see just how different things can be while still being fun and JA2. Of course, it also reflects my playing style to a large degree even though I have incorporated a lot of ideas from players.

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