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SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4108] Tue, 24 October 2006 00:54 Go to next message
GOTH

 
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The new JA should have the possibility of incresing the number of characters per team, and total of > 18.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4109] Tue, 24 October 2006 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
daespo

 
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Yep!

Wildfire increased the team-size to 10 members, but that sucked because you still could recruit a maximum of 18 mercs. 30 Mercs would be nice, this would give you the possibility for having three teams
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4110] Tue, 24 October 2006 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
greymarcus
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Although, 1.13 is opening many parts of the gameplay. I am wondering weather making the team size bigger would just totally unbalance the game more. Already at my current came Ja vannilla I have no problems taking Meduna with my 18. Smile
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4111] Tue, 24 October 2006 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GOTH

 
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@ greymarcus

But wouldn
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4112] Wed, 25 October 2006 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
greymarcus
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Well, if you put it that way. Biff,
Flo, and my IMP is up for the challenge. Smile
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4113] Tue, 07 November 2006 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
daespo

 
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Quote:
Originally posted by greymarcus:
Although, 1.13 is opening many parts of the gameplay. I am wondering weather making the team size bigger would just totally unbalance the game more. Already at my current came Ja vannilla I have no problems taking Meduna with my 18. Smile
I'd say that a team-size of 10 (just like in WF) is great. But it'd make more sense to increase the max. number of mercs from 18 to 20. So you can use 2 full teams. Stops nasty switching between three teams, that are basically two teams ^^
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4114] Wed, 08 November 2006 22:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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I do not see any reason to increase the number of mercs in a team... In a squad with two good Night Ops mercs at least, 3 or 4 mercs do the job quite nicely Wink
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4115] Thu, 09 November 2006 14:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
daespo

 
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They do. But think about situations where you want to take a setor with two teams (ie 6&6 = 12 or 5/5 = 10). Here would a teamsize of 8 or 10 be more comfortable, since you don't have to swith between the teams. Only exception is: Attacking from two sides.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4116] Fri, 10 November 2006 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gearsx
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Id say increase squad size to 8 mercs which is a 33% increase BUT also increase the number of enemies by 33%
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4117] Sat, 11 November 2006 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard

 
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Team size and the number of enemies is an item that can't just be modified in a whim.

This is a turn based game that requires micromanagement for all the individual Mercs and every additional character that can be handled does add up.

In JA2, you could have several teams in the same sector too and with 3 full teams of trained men, you could nearly walk over the territory.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4118] Sun, 12 November 2006 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bearpit

 
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Exactly.
Sirtech had the basics worked out correctly balancing reality against gameplay to produce a workable compromise. Six to a squad works well.

If anything consideration might be given towards providing vehicles with different capacity and perhaps a trade off whereby unattended vehicles can be stolen - destroyed more easily than in JA2 but players find more of them scattered throughout the game.

We still have no idea of scale: how many sectors/locations exist on the gameworld which is important when considering squad size - number of vehicles.
By having around 230 playable locations JA2 ensured it's replayability success and I hope JA3 has an even larger setting.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4119] Mon, 13 November 2006 02:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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thanx richard n bearpit , its good to know these things are being thought out instead of rushing to obey every fans wishes..


Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4120] Tue, 14 November 2006 03:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard

 
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The world is going to be much larger in scope. This will require using vehicles to quickly get from one area to another.

The setting is pretty big but the way it is handled, it should not become cumbersome.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4121] Wed, 15 November 2006 10:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Drake

 
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Will the sector maps be larger, sir?
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4122] Wed, 15 November 2006 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harper

 
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What I always diskliked about JA2 is that there were so many empty maps. I think most people like maps that are designed well; I guess that's why people liked the good old "Demoville" so much.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4123] Thu, 16 November 2006 02:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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about empty maps , yeah it's none too exciting just harin through with nothing to see or do so little touches like npc's or shops or arguements to breakup would be good till meeting enemies though not every sector would be occupied??


Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4124] Thu, 16 November 2006 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard

 
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Sector maps will have variable sizes.

I would think that yes, some may be bigger.

I don't want them to be too big though for game balance reasons.

About 'empty' maps, what should be called wilderness, they are there to support the concept of encounters as opposed to mission maps where there are specific targets to take on.

Generally speaking, these do not get explored the same way than target maps.

One obvious plus with the supersized world map is that it becomes impossible to honeycomb, like you could in JA2.

This means that if something is out there, you will need the info and location first.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4125] Tue, 21 November 2006 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bearpit

 
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There were some posts her made on 18-19 Nov but they vanished ??? as sometimes happens.

One area of discussion centered on whether there are advantages to a mainly mission based structure on a large gameworld with all areas available subject only to transport & enemy presence considerations as opposed to a more linear, advance, hold, train militia, gather supplies then advance to another location till you reach an endpoint as happens in JA2.

Players were given secondary missions at fixed locations, rescue Maria, kill Bloodcats, deliver Challice to Yanni, Kingpin wanting the Challice, and this necessitated holding territory then clearing a path through enemy held area to complete quests.

But the main objective was always entering a fixed point (capital) to assasinate a leader.

So from that fixed perspective it's interesting to imagine alternate possibilities.

Except for specialized one off quests, missions fall roughly into these categories:
1. Rescue person A then escort to area X
2. Assasinate baddie A in area X
3. Assasinate baddie A but you have to find them first.
4. Engage enemies in area X
5. Deliver an item to person A in area X.
6. Pick up an item from person A in area X.
7. Pick up an item from person A & deliver to person B.
8. Sabotage or destroy an object in area X.
9. Covertly infiltrate area X to do something.

You could do all of these things from a base of operations without necessarily holding towns or areas of countryside and perhaps create temporary forward bases then withdraw.
In JA2 quest instructions were issued face to face yet there existed a laptop ... which can just as easily convey instructions via e-mail.
A condition of victory might be to succeed in a given number of missions without being required to conquer & hold ever increasing areas of territory.
The final mission might be something spectacular or far into enemy held territory but not necessarily to hold territory.

JA2 was in effect a strategic board game with, finances, micromanagement, roleplay - quest structure and combat .... lots of combat.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4126] Thu, 23 November 2006 02:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard

 
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Consider that winning for all factions may not necessarily mean the same thing and that the road to winning my require multiple paths.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4127] Thu, 23 November 2006 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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I also heard mention of the ability to change and choose between a variety of factions. If this is correct the strategic layering would increase dramatically.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4128] Thu, 23 November 2006 02:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GOTH

 
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How many factions will be?
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4129] Thu, 23 November 2006 08:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lucas

 
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So in JA3D the sectors are unlocked as you complete the quests in game or get some info about the sector? Interesting Smile
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4130] Fri, 24 November 2006 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Drake

 
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Richard didn't say the sectors would be 'locked' until the pertinent information is uncovered about them, just that the world map would be so large that it would be necessary to have some idea where your objectives are. I sincerely hope that the game can unfold in a completely non-linear fashion, to avoid the boring pitfalls that games like Fallout had.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4131] Sat, 25 November 2006 02:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard

 
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The game is non-linear.

Still, to achieve a certain story telling capacity, some events may be triggered by other events or combination of events, either triggered by the player, the other factions or a combination of the above.

This means that certain elements of the 'storyline' may not happen before other elements have been triggered.

Then again, those mechanisms should be fairly seamless to the player and things should evolve rather smoothly.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4132] Sat, 25 November 2006 06:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harper

 
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That sounds good Smile I'm pretty interested in the final outcome of your efforts.
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4133] Sat, 25 November 2006 23:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CaRNi4

 
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Wish for some screenshots under the christmas tree Smile
Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4134] Sun, 17 December 2006 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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the more encounters the better , good and bad also some unusual meets would add to the experience....


Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #4135] Fri, 22 December 2006 06:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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an if theres screenshots under the xmas tree , as im goin away for coupla weeks i'll be the last kid on my block to see em ! tisn't fair :hmm:


Re: SIZE OF THE TEAMS[message #130403] Thu, 22 February 2007 03:12 Go to previous message
Annapolisjohn

 
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Maybe 2 Teams Max in each sector would be cool ... But its nice to have another group to micro manage (Medics,Militia trainers, Mules to carry stuff to the weapons & items traders... Etc)

I like using a lot of different characters if your total team size were not as big it would not be as fun...

@ Richard ... In My Humble Opinion ... I am expecting bigger & Better... Downsizing,Taking away of Destructable Walls, Admin tasks like revenue generation & Militia, and linear play are all big steps back that most of us here dread... Please Keep it Real... While improved graphics are cool the things that make this game far superior to it competition is what make it following so strong!

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