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Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #222890] Tue, 23 June 2009 18:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Malice
Meltdown (hi, Mrs. Currie)
Biff
Steroid
Malice

With the exception of Biff, whom I occasionaly hire as "Human Mine Detector" (yea, I know, it's one use only but so much fun), the others I almost never hired since i play JA2. And never will probably.


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #222924] Tue, 23 June 2009 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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the worst is steroid - he shit his pants 5 times during the battle of drassen international airport
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #222945] Tue, 23 June 2009 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roadkill

 
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Worst mercs for me aren't "the ones with bad stats", but the ones with "bad voices/quotes".
Meltdown
Larry
Cougar
Barry
Steroid

And to be honest, quite a few more i never hire because i can't stand their voices. But with ProEdit, SLF-explore and a bit of creativety i usually shuffle voices, pics and stats around a bit for all my games Smile
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #222951] Wed, 24 June 2009 00:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Barry is supposed to be boring. Methinks Cougar also. Definitely Larry (unstoned), he's supposed to be a square (compared to stoned larry). I don't use Steroid. He's got some stupid prejudice against my top officer.


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #222956] Wed, 24 June 2009 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Roadkill

 
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Headrock
Barry is supposed to be boring. Methinks Cougar also. Definitely Larry (unstoned), he's supposed to be a square (compared to stoned larry).

That's what i meant. Boring. Stupid. And annoying. I prefer a bit more spice in my team. And preferably some nice interaction.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #222962] Wed, 24 June 2009 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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That's what i meant. Boring. Stupid. And annoying. I prefer a bit more spice in my team. And preferably some nice interaction.


Well I'd really have to say "So don't hire them". I don't mean that in an arrogant sense, what I mean is that some mercs are supposed to be abnoxious and some are supposed to be boring. It's part of their characterization. They are the exception that proves the rule. I think JA2 actually strives to give you that feeling that there are some people you'll never hire again, just as it makes you adore some of the others.

I remember JA1 - I played with a rather narrow selection of the AIM roster, but occassionally would add some new guy to the team just to see what he's like. I made the mistake of hiring Reuban one day, and yes he tried to kill Ivan as he always does. I shot him full of lead and never hired him again. It's one character I will NEVER use in JA1, but I think the very experience of saying "I'll never hire THAT guy again" is what they were trying to achieve with Reuban in the first place! He's practically there just to try to kill Ivan, be shot in the face by a group of angry mercs, and remembered as a total jerk forever.


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #222998] Wed, 24 June 2009 05:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Yep, it's the best part of the RPG element actually. And the most overlooked in all JA2 clones.


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #223009] Wed, 24 June 2009 07:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar

 
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The fact they properly characterised the peeps in JA2 (and the previous JA games) shows the attention to detail they had when making the game. There is so much stuff in the data for each merc I am almost afraid to completely revamp AIM and MERC with new characters! Though I do wish the volatility of the mercs from JA1 and DG was in JA2 so sticking Buzz and Lynx in the same squad would be a mistake like Reuban and Ivan Wink


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #223081] Wed, 24 June 2009 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shanga

 
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Hey! What a great idea! We have the "bitch slap" animation right? From queen. If we could make the two go at it like two crazy broads would be so fun...


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #223084] Wed, 24 June 2009 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gorro der Grüne

 
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Buzz is lefthanded
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #223093] Wed, 24 June 2009 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gmonk

 
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There's all that subtle stuff you can't see, based on merc opinions. They might not talk about or hate more than a few mercs, but their opinions affect each other. Pure genius!

It's hard to imagine the game without the amount of personality it has programmed into it.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #223851] Sat, 27 June 2009 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sorkvild

 
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Flo - What the hell she's doing there.
Steroid - Moron.
Biff - Sissy.
Static - Crippled hippie dude, go smoke some pot.
Stephen - He sounds like Sascha Baron Cohen's new character - BRUNO.

Other mercs I dont like.

Buns - Ja, ja, Thats enough. Goodbye.
Fox - Porn babe with duals, plese no ...
Miguel - I know he's good shot but he sounds like a communist to me. Dont like him.
All characters from WildFire. Thier quotes and voice acting so gross, probably worst voice acting ever. Best reason is to stay away from them.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #223854] Sat, 27 June 2009 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Flo - What the hell she's doing there.


She gets a better price selling weapons for one...


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228630] Wed, 22 July 2009 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Never Darktide

 
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Well, I gotta put my input in on this one. I dislike these people for varying reasons, to be honest.

1. Trevor. He's a financial disaster...and I love Australians with all my heart, but the kid turns into a money nightmare.

2. Hitman. If I were to choose between Raider or Hitman, I'd choose Raider (and I did in one of my early forays into JA2). What kind of self-respecting mercenary doesn't take care of his weight problem? His stats aren't good and his wisdom just can't compensate for it.

3. Cliff. He's rather arrogant and I can't stand his voice. Also, 34 explosives is not a marketable skill.

4. Buns. Her stats are actually pretty good, but Fox is not a swimsuit model. Like the Hitman/Raider thing, I'd take Fox in this situation. With the kind of team I use, I don't need another teaching expert (my current team is IMP/Len/Fox/Barry/Ira).

5. Lynx. I find his hobby for killing endangered species absolutely detestable (this is a fact revealed in JA/DG). If I want somebody who starts with 99 marksmanship, I'll take Scope because she starts at level 5 for the same price. I just can't stand Lynx.

Also, for those who say Len never improves, I've had him from Day 1. I've primarily used him as support to increase Fox/Barry/Ira's abilities, but he leveled up to 8 today and he's gained 13 leadership, 17 mechanical, not to mention 2 wisdom. Aside from Scully, probably my favorite veteran merc.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228632] Wed, 22 July 2009 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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1. Trevor.


I pay gladly every damn time. Having a guy who can open anything is extremely important to me. He'll learn anything you want him to learn, and he's pretty much all-around useful anyway. Give this guy an assault rifle and have him run around the field, and you'll end up having a one-man squad. Of course, you'll be paying through the nose, but, a ONE MAN SQUAD!!

Plus he doesn't hate Ivan, which is always a bonus on my team. Very Happy

Quote:
2. Hitman.


I'd agree, except Raider is a dork, so I usually hire both of them just to piss them off (oh and raven to mediate. Wink )

Quote:
5. Lynx.


Sorry, I have an innate respect for good marksmen, especially since I spent most of the last decade playing JA2 1.00.


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228638] Wed, 22 July 2009 23:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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that len-thing: some elliots insisted to have him be able to lern - if you want a real len, change him back to 'i ain't lern no nothing' in pro-edit - i do that
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228639] Wed, 22 July 2009 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gorro der Grüne

 
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I once ordered a 6 merc team to attack Drassen SAM unarmed.
(Buns, Shadow, Gus, Wolf, Dr. Quinten and Steroid)

oc they were only ordered for 1 day.

Well some must go off.



To get rid of some idiots can be extremly funny (e.g. You order each and everybody to have 3 bottles of Vodka just before the battle starts)

[Updated on: Thu, 23 July 2009 00:34] by Moderator

Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228650] Thu, 23 July 2009 00:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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To get rid of some idiots can be extremly funny (e.g. You order each and everybody to have 3 bottles of Vodka just before the battle starts)


LOOOOOLLLLL What an amazingly good reason to hire the ENTIRE M.E.R.C team for a bloody drunk assault on Alma. Maybe even a challenge: Give them really really good equipment and get them bloody drunk, see if you can survive.


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228660] Thu, 23 July 2009 00:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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dan halutz in command?
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228666] Thu, 23 July 2009 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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No, that was the opposite way around - Have the entire AIM roster conquer meduna with only 5 bullets each and no first aid kits.


Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228673] Thu, 23 July 2009 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Logisteric

 
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i never understood the idea of making an airforce-guy chief of staff

two sovjet generals of armour strollin' on the champs-
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228690] Thu, 23 July 2009 02:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Never Darktide

 
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I just don't have quite as much fun with a one man squad. Early on when I was just testing stuff for the hell of it, I tried having as my first team a few combinations:

1. IMP, Raider and Raven
2. IMP, Magic and Scully
3. IMP and Shadow (later added Len)
4. IMP, Scully and Len (got to Cambria, but had to drop it due to old version/computer reformat)
5. IMP, Len, Fox, Barry, Ira (current)

Early on was nasty with my current game "Flippin' gun doesn't want to work!" but now, my IMP is 7, Len is 8 and the rest of my team is 6, all armed with decked out assault rifles and marksmanship in the low 90s.

I've realized by now that it's much, much more cost-effective to raise weaker but high wisdom mercs than to get all-stars (at least, wait to hire them until the endgame). I still don't regret hiring Len because he can train militia or repair, he's inexpensive and he's an excellent shot. I do kind of wish I'd hired somebody like Igor, Meltdown or Blood, but that can wait for my next playthrough.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #228786] Thu, 23 July 2009 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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& what's wrong with Sandinista's Skorvild? That's why you are there. To liberate... oh never mind.

Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #239180] Wed, 02 December 2009 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cafu

 
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Most terrible

1. Barry (i used him once, never again)
2. Razor
3. Haywire both same as 1.
4. Trevor( i could like him, but gets way too expensive)
5. Hamous SI

Others too, but example dimitri is free so i use him like selling guns to tony(and repair them).
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #239191] Wed, 02 December 2009 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Folkewulf

 
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Buns - stuck up b*tch just pisses off way too many people to be useful

Grunty - say finders keepers one more time I'll shoot you myself
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241507] Sun, 10 January 2010 07:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Crackajack

 
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No doubt the worst 5 are: Flo, Gumpy, Biff , Larry and Shank .... Basically all the M.E.R.C characters suck (except for Numb and Cougar)...

Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241509] Sun, 10 January 2010 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Skank and Larry's drugged out ass, although; once I bust Skanker out of jail, I am going to build him up to be a grenadier for me.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241563] Sun, 10 January 2010 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sincleanser

 
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If you want to get technical, stat wise, the worst recruit able people are

Robot, Shank, Flo, Hamous, Biff (Haywire)
292 353 354 410 417 (420)

The average stat total of every person you can hire in the game is 582, just to put that into some perspective. These are the worst people for each respective stat and are unaltered.

Worst Health
Flo - 58

Worst Agility
Shank - 36

Worst Dexterity
Robot - 30
Hitman - 40

Worst Strength
Robot - 30
Shank - 31

Worst Leadership
Robot, Haywire, Flo, Fidel - 1

Worst Wisdom
Robot - 5
Bubba - 29

Worst Marksmanship
Vince - 35

Worst Mechanical
Robot, Gumpy, Biff, Spider - 0

Worst Explosives
Robot, Hamous, Spider, MD, Danny - 0

Worst Medical
Robot, Hamous, Gasket, Bubba, Buzz - 0

Worst Scientific (?)
Everyone is at 0. Razz

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Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241616] Mon, 11 January 2010 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rizzla

 
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If you were to list them as stats per cost things look very different. Flo costs just $100 per day and with her high wisdom she can at least train militia cheaply (and gets quite good at it after a while). Plus she gets better prices at Tony's. Shank is pretty much the same - wisdom of 80 means he can make a militia trainer, though he doesn't have the teaching trait like Flo. Who cares about $20 a day? He can uncover sectors you wouldn't visit otherwise and then train militia in Drassen or the first SAM site if you've lost people up there. Admittedly that's not much and I wouldn't want to see either in a firefight (though I have and their lines are worth a chuckle or two).
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241629] Mon, 11 January 2010 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
herb

 
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Flo and Biff are the hell pair of trainers militia. They are the team in love and also in wor. Use them. They are cheep and quich.

Well without this they ar much worthless
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241632] Mon, 11 January 2010 22:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sincleanser

 
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Rizzla
If you were to list them as stats per cost things look very different. Flo costs just $100 per day and with her high wisdom she can at least train militia cheaply (and gets quite good at it after a while). Plus she gets better prices at Tony's. Shank is pretty much the same - wisdom of 80 means he can make a militia trainer, though he doesn't have the teaching trait like Flo. Who cares about $20 a day? He can uncover sectors you wouldn't visit otherwise and then train militia in Drassen or the first SAM site if you've lost people up there. Admittedly that's not much and I wouldn't want to see either in a firefight (though I have and their lines are worth a chuckle or two).


If you want efficiency, then obviously hire the ones that are free, which are:
Carlos, Dimitri, Ira, Miguel, Maddog, Robot, Slay

If you want actual value per cost daily (plus medical if applicable, as you cannot not pay that), then the five worst are as follows:
Magic - 6.55%
Gus - 6.82%
Reaper - 8.14%
Grunty - 8.23%
Scully - 8.34%

Kinda sad. Sad

*BONUS*
There are those that are greater than what they cost, and these are as follows:
Devin - 100.52%
Grizzly - 104%
Vince - 115.6 %
Bull - 127.5%
Hamous - 164%
Biff - 208.5%
Gasket - 238.5%
Haywire - 280%
Gumpy - 310.67%
Razor - 318.67%
Flo - 354%

So yes, Flo is the best that MERC has to offer. Take that Flo Haters!

*EXTRA BONUS*
There's two people that are greater than 1000% (!) of their stats, and they are:
Dynamo - 1014%
Shank - 1765%

The formula for all of these calculations was to add Health, Strength, Agility, Dexterity, Wisdom, Leadership, Marksmanship, Mechanical, Medical, Explosives, and Experience level; Divide by (Daily Cost + Medical Deposit).

Example:
Name Daily Cost Total Stats Cost Efficiency
Wolf 1,400 677 17.36%

Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241659] Tue, 12 January 2010 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
That just means that the cheapest mercs are the most efficient. It has to reflect production as well. Add in sleep need and ability to work with fellow mercenaries.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241663] Tue, 12 January 2010 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1. I hate Gumpy, cos he annoys me immensely.
2. Biff, cos he is weak, and his voice is annoying.
3. Haywire, useless idiot, who couldn't shoot a barn door.
4. Gasket, i used to like him, but he is a racist moron who'd forget his gun if he wasn't holding it.
5. Steroid, i can't stand this roid-freak, he just oozes stupidity.
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241681] Tue, 12 January 2010 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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Crap mercs rock because training them up into badasses is one of the pleasures of the game. I can do without the arrogant top-notchers and use people who are genuinely surprised to be winning... then again I always have a few casualties so I kind of end up with a motley selection at the end anyway whatever my strategy was at the start.

Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241689] Tue, 12 January 2010 17:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stephen fills all 5 slots. No matter how much you train, shoot or arm him, he'll always have that horrible accent.

Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241697] Tue, 12 January 2010 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
profound

 
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Jaaa

(sorry, couldn't resist)
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241712] Wed, 13 January 2010 08:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Grunty?
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241717] Wed, 13 January 2010 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
herb

 
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Grunty you could be Dolovich (or something like that)
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241724] Wed, 13 January 2010 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Luppolo

 
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"Grunty could be a Dolvich i think"
Re: who are the 5 worst mercs[message #241726] Wed, 13 January 2010 13:27 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
herb

 
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correct! Smile
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