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Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #132921] Fri, 16 March 2007 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tbird94lx

 
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not worth the trouble :sleep:

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Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #132922] Fri, 16 March 2007 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SpaceViking

 
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The latest civ (Civ4) was all done in 3D...


Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #132924] Fri, 16 March 2007 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #132937] Sat, 17 March 2007 05:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Khor1255

 
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@Zappa

Apart from what you said about camera angles I agree. Unless I misunderstood you it seems you are not in favor of a locking camera angle. I have no problem with the camera being able to move but I think if it's default (or at least a default setting) isn't fixed 'isometric' it will be another game that annoys me because I have to chase the camera all over the place. This completely blows game immersion for me and is the single most annoying thing about 3d games.


I think there is nothing wrong with 2d but would readily welcome 3d if it didn't result in any sacrifices, ease of interface included. 3d games where you have to chase the camera around are nothing more than cosmic debris to me.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #132938] Sat, 17 March 2007 06:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ZaPPPa

 
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Locking the camera angle is really simple to program. Depending on how camera movement is programmed, it is possible for the player to 'lock' the camera in place if he wants to. Though this may cause characters to disappear behind buildings.

I agree that 3D should not result in sacrifices, but from my experience I think it will actually leave more room for developers to add features. Besides, it gives better eye candy (which I personally couldn't care less about, but apparently many people do).
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133127] Sun, 18 March 2007 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Elias_Maluco
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Jagged Alliance 2 is a great game, my favorite of all times. Ive played it a lot, even though probably not as much as many people here.

But I cant play it forever, I want new games. And by that I mean NEW games, not JA2 redone in 3D (or better-looking 2D). Turn-based tactical combat is fun, and it is a fine art being polished for decades now, JA2 probably being the pinnacle of it. But is not perfect, and it is not the only valid way of recreating tactical combat in a computer game.

Saying that JA2 is perfect, that turn-based is perfect, and becouse of that nothing new, nothing different as the right to be created, is like saying that Rafael was the greatet painter of all times, so the human race should have just stopped painting after he died and we should spend the rest of the eternity staring at his same paintings.

Some people actually think that way, about art, video-games, music, almost everything. And in spite of then, people keep painting new pictures, making new music, new games, etc. And so new great stuff (and even turn based combat was something new on its days) can still be invented.

My advice for the fanatics is this: let go. JA2 is great, but is already done. Now how about we let developers try something different? If all you want is that every new tactical game is just like JA2, then you dont need new games, just keep playing JA2 till the end of times.

That said, I have to confess I havent tried E5 mysels yet, but from all I heard, I seens really interesting. Now Im playing a modern X-COM clone called "UFO: Afterlight". Its not perfect, but its good enough to have changed my mind about RTwP. It just works really well, it does not requires any reflexes, it auto-pauses in any relevant event (almost every 5 seconds, actually), it is really strategic and fun to play, and combat has a more realist flow that turn-based cant achieve. It is not as deep and varied as JA2 combat, but the original JA also wanst, turn based came a long way to become that good.

So yeah, now Im optimistic about the future of RTwP tactical combat now and thats why I want to try E5 and its sequel. Im not expecting it to be has good has JA2 was, but I know it is probably good, and it will be a different experience. And maybe, in a not so far future, some talented developers might you a similar system to make a tactical game even better than JA2. Anyway, it will never going to happen if all the game developers are allowed to do is try to recreate JA2.

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Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133146] Mon, 19 March 2007 05:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
flybyu

 
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ZaPPPa
Wow, maybe you should stop watching Fox News so much...


WHATS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN!

For your information I do not watch TV, and yes English is what you have to learn to compete in this world, it is international and you being from the states disgust me with your anti-English attitude. On the other hand, are you an illegal that is fighting against this country and taking Americans jobs to boot?

You want a slim fest will that is up to you.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133177] Mon, 19 March 2007 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ZaPPPa

 
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First of all, my english is better than yours and it isn't even my native language. I am not a US citizen, that's true. I did not take someone's job, because the position was created for me that would otherwise not have been created at all.

PS. Don't feel so high and mighty about being American and speaking English. It is not your language, you don't even *have* an official language. You also didn't put it on the map, the British did that centuries ago.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133181] Mon, 19 March 2007 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Trevor

 
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Ok, Guys! Peace!!!
My opinion is that 3D isn't bad technik, i m waiting for Stalker!!!!!!!!! But the question is : is that way is doing somethongs good for a gameplay?
I love turn base and i saw Heroes of might and Magic 5 like a treason!!!
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133438] Thu, 22 March 2007 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lytinwheedle

 
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Moreover, I hope the company uses English to code with, as it is the language of the free world.

Oh mother of god...
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Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133498] Thu, 22 March 2007 23:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
slayer

 
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Just a reminder to all....it doesn't matter what country,language,religion, type of government you are/prefer....we all members here cause of one common bond...our love of JA. Differing on what/how JA3 should made is one thing, but arguing about the all that other crap is useless IMO.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133499] Thu, 22 March 2007 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Trevor

 
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Yep, nice words Slayer
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #145220] Mon, 18 June 2007 03:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Smakkz
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i got E5, and i can say the following:

* The crappy/hilarious voice acting (i mean, the irish woman sounds like an east european guy. No offence!)
* Occasional crashes
* The repetitive maps, ( if battles start in a certain place on the strategic map, i get the same tactical map as the last time. More battle maps!)
* Outdated graphics ( i mean, im not a graphics geek. I love JA and JA2, even though its way outdated. But it seems hastily assembled.

That was the bad parts of the game:

And now the good ones:

* Massive selection of guns Very Happy
* Interesting meld of RT and (Turn-based) combat, im writing turnbased in () cause i mean using pause and planning your attack and movement, is a turn.
* Freedom of choice, working of any side. Either for the good, the bad or the ugly >Smile


Anyways, could recommend Cops 2170: The Power of Law. Although it got a few glitches. Both E5 and Cops 2170 can be bought at strategyfirst. Just got my summer money from my work, so im testing out these, and downloaded the JA2 gold from em.. Just to keep the withdrawals at bay, until Fallout 3 comes out and hopefully JA3 Very Happy
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #148734] Mon, 09 July 2007 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
no_clip

 
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The problem of the future of JA is that a majority of custumers (players) don't want 2D in games. A new games have to be nice and in 3D now!
I like 3D games like Oblivion, Kotor1... But 2D graphism are better in some sort of game like JA.
The industry of game more interest to build 3D engine cause it's the new spring for making money. Cause, Now a lots of games are on PSX or XboxX and PC at soame time etc... And it's means games no longer be making like JA was making, i think.


I wouldn't mind if the next JA game would look something Company of Heroes. Not the gameplay of course, but he look/engine.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155385] Sat, 01 September 2007 04:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
nikkimond
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E5 Rocks! As for E5 graphics, the models are extremely hi res and spot on. The weapon detail is amazing. Add a lazer sight to your rifle and there it is, even the red beam shows up and flashes around. The terrain graphics suck, square slopes. Superb weapon calculations and physics, big weapons take longer to aim, and that is factored into the initiative.

I'm not really sure why one would need to walk in a stealthy stance in turn based Jazz. Running gets you further. Its not like in realtime where somebody can shoot you on the run exposed. Because in realtime stealth actually does something when you move. every milisecond counts and pistols shoot sooner than rifles in close quarters.

Dont get me wrong I will probably get Jazz if they take off the angle and camera scroll restrictions, Im sure they will. Turn based is fun too, its just not realistic in the real world sense.

And POV ray the damn maps. Hey mist Land.... add some shadows to the terrain!
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155432] Sat, 01 September 2007 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Decado2

 
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Will this developer/publisher support the game and listen to the fans? I have my doubts. Sounds like some sort of gem in the rough (not a diamond, but something still worthwhile), but looks like it will only be worth paying serious attention to if the developer fixes a lot of the issues before release and some decent patches come out.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155681] Tue, 04 September 2007 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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3d sucks. If you want 3d fun go paintballing with your friends. Isometric is the only decent view for games imho. It's the view of the chess board from one corner (and suits the whole turn based thing where appropriate). It's the view you remember long ago of your toy soldiers in the sandpit. All the best games with the best re-play value are/were isometric. The only 3d type games I ever liked were the tomb raider series with much emphasis on the complex levels, acrobatics and puzzle solving; combat in rt fps 3d environment was more of an irritating side issue; once you'd done a level once you knew where the enemies were. Myth was alright I guess but a bit too creepy for my liking. I want to see the power of modern computing and graphics being used for some really stunning detailed and huge complex Isometric games... there said my bit. Feel much better now. *)

Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155689] Tue, 04 September 2007 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you know isometric and 3d is not a contradiction you can have it both at the same time;)

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Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155702] Tue, 04 September 2007 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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Gukk! Isometric with rotatable N-E-S-W views and a decent zoom in/out is as 3d as I want to go. Real 3d games give me gyp with dumb counter intuitive camera angles and crappy up close graphics when you bump into stuff; plus they tend to concentrate on the fact that it is 3d rather than the gameplay-replayability etc. They also require a lot more real dexterity. The beauty of JA2 and it's kind is that people of varying physical abilities can still play regardless... it's an equal opps format. The playstation generation would do well to remember some of us are gnarly old crokks with slower reactions in real time!

Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155715] Tue, 04 September 2007 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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It's the view you remember long ago of your toy soldiers in the sandpit. All the best games with the best re-play value are/were isometric


ah will , those were the days , still have em up in loft !! airfix allsorts Very Happy


Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155930] Thu, 06 September 2007 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kikuchiyo
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The advantage of 3D (I think) is that you can calculate LOS/LOF and such things much better and more realistic then in an isometric setting.. As long as the camera controls are good 3D will always be the way to go.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155975] Thu, 06 September 2007 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Gates

 
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For you young whippersnappers probably. For me I like isometric pure and simple.

@ Lockie: yup my 1:50 modded Cadian Combat Engineers & much adapted Chimera are still in a display case in the computer room. Just the models though kids; I never got into the whole warhammer 4000 tabletop games scene.

Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155977] Thu, 06 September 2007 19:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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nah , never got into warhammer, but airfix models and figures , happy days..


Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #159016] Mon, 24 September 2007 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jh316

 
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What's with all the fanboyism I see in this thread? People act like it's a horrible disgusting game because it's not Jagged Alliance 2. Brigade E5 is a great game that stands on its own. Its RPG elements are weak, but the combat system is very well fleshed-out and I feel the real time with pause makes for an excellent game. Guess what, not every game ever made is an isometric turn-based game, does that mean every one of them was bad? Welcome to the new age. Why make the game 2-D with a static camera when it can be 3-D and allow you to look from any angle? You can't see the game as sucking because it's not jagged alliance. The sequel will have much better RPG and mercenary elements. I'm glad they focused on what actually mattered for the first game, the gameplay. They nailed the combat and spent the most time on that, and now they have time to polish it a little and add in the interaction and strategic options it's lacking.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #159798] Sat, 29 September 2007 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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well , i bought it on holiday for $9.99 ,the price alone surely gives an idea how popular it is .., anyway once im settled back into the groove i'll install and give fair comment ( couldnt resist at that price !)also bought ufo extraterrestrial and i'll load up someday too , saw a game called shadow grounds or something , looked like ja type , anyone tried it . oh and hello to all my good buddies out there Very Happy


Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #159809] Sat, 29 September 2007 14:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stromb

 
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Shadow Company you mean ? Tried this one several years ago. Something went and felt wrong, and i uninstall the game quickly. I shall try it again though ...
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #159824] Sat, 29 September 2007 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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Tried this one several years ago.


nup , dont think so , looked like brigade e5 3d type, must be fairly new ,as most gamestores i visited stocked it ?


Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #162395] Mon, 22 October 2007 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jdlikins
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Does anyone have an editor for E5? Would like to do some simple stuff like changing Merc names.

Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #162406] Mon, 22 October 2007 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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dont think so , you could always try web ?


Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #162410] Mon, 22 October 2007 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jdlikins
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thanks...i tried to open up some of the fields...nothing i have the expertise to deal with
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #162460] Tue, 23 October 2007 06:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
baby arm
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Check the Strategy First forums. That's where the English-speaking E5 modders gather. The Russian modders are at the Apeiron forums.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #165515] Fri, 23 November 2007 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
afp

 
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Hey guys, here is a mod for BE5, it fixes most of the original bugs + it adds some new weapons:
http://www.strategyfirst.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35422

I still belive that you miss a great game, if you loved JA2 its impossible not to like this one. It just takes time to learn it, ussually the first impresion is awfull.
7.62 in on the way too.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #165542] Fri, 23 November 2007 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie

 
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well , im hoping to finish bearpits mod this weekend , and i've neglected my new games, bought n summer , so maybe i'll fire it up .


Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #165931] Wed, 28 November 2007 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jdlikins
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hey AFP,

Still not sure where to find where you can edit character names, stats etc. If you can give me a link to the right spot I would appreciate it greatly. Sorry if I seem so helpless here.

jdl
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #165938] Thu, 29 November 2007 02:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
afp

 
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Check the threads in my signature there, there is a modding tutorial, also on the main forum the thread called "Inside saved games files"
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #175486] Tue, 12 February 2008 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dduke
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E5 rule and the sentence by afp is right, if you love JA2 you can't love E5...the combat at least.
My suggestion is try it on custom difficulty mode with all the easy things on, find out how the game mechanics works (missions, game level change, money, store, factions, mercs(and joinable npcs), travel...survival and combat first of all), then start again at your desired difficulty level, be on the role of your char as it's yourself on the field and if something dumb happens remember this: it's a 6 out of 10 game with the best blend of turn and real time combat out there.

7.62 is even better despite the russian language.

And don't play without Immortal Badass!

It's a shame that Apeiron talks frequently only to russian speaking people and the english version takes ages to come out.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #175489] Tue, 12 February 2008 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
afp

 
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7.62 is even better despite the russian language.
And don't play without Immortal Badass!
It's a shame that Apeiron talks frequently only to russian speaking people and the english version takes ages to come out.



I just finished tonight the english translation for 7.62. Some of the quest are still machine translated (about 20%) and the english UI is only for 1280x1024 or above - too lazy to make it for 800x600, and maybe useless. But overall looks good and you can understand the quests.

http://www.strategyfirst.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34738

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Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #175712] Fri, 15 February 2008 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
swatman89

 
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for some reason it cannot find th efile after i click download .
but thanks anyway.
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #175782] Sat, 16 February 2008 14:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dduke
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True...
So i put up a mirror here http://FileHost.JustFreeSpace.Com/555762English10.zip
Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union?[message #196874] Sun, 21 September 2008 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Rev1

 
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Hey, which mod was this? I went to this link and it didn't appear to exist anymore.


afp
Hey guys, here is a mod for BE5, it fixes most of the original bugs + it adds some new weapons:
http://www.strategyfirst.com/forum/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=69;t=000112

I still belive that you miss a great game, if you loved JA2 its impossible not to like this one. It just takes time to learn it, ussually the first impresion is awfull.
7.62 in on the way too.
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