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M-16A1[message #77512] Wed, 16 July 2003 00:16 Go to next message
CptCrunch is currently offline CptCrunch

 
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This is more of a technical realism question.

I am aware that the original M-16 jams alot and have caused many casualties that way during Vietnam. My question is, is that weapon so bad that it starts jamming after a clip and a half on full auto? :nono:

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Re: M-16A1[message #77513] Wed, 16 July 2003 02:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stealth Mongoose is currently offline Stealth Mongoose

 
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The original M16A1 did have numerous reliability issues that plagued it, but for the most case, it was the fault of the US military, and not the actual weapon design.

When the M16A1 was first issued, the military disregarded the specification to use Dupont powder in the 5.56x45mm's, and instead used the cheaper powder used in their 7.62mm NATO cartridges. The cheap powder caused the gun to jam excessively if you didn't keep the rifle constantly clean. Plus, since the powder was for a larger cartridge, it produced higher pressures and lead to the premature degrading and wear of internal parts. Add that into the fact that since its first field-testing was that of the jungle, most early M16's suffered from corrossion, also a large factor in jamming.

It wasn't until '67 that they fixed the ridiculous jamming problems. The manufacturers stopped using the wrong gunpowder, thus cutting back on the powder residue forming on the action, caused by the 7.62mm Ball powder. Also in '67, they chrome-lined the bolt, barrel, and firing chamber of the M16A1s produced that year, protecting it better from the corrosion problem.

In '70, they started issuing cleaning kits in a hollowed-out cavity in the stock (much like the old Thompson M1A1 & M1929 .45ACP submachine-guns came standard with cleaning oils and brushes in an internal stock compartment), and it also wasn't until 1970 that they started using 30-round magazines on the M16A1. Until then, they only had a 20+1 round capacity.

Sooooo.... yes, and no. The original M16A1 had numerous shortcomings, but if this mod takes place in 1969, the jamming rate of an M16A1 wouldn't of been that ridiculous.

Unless of course, you forgot to clean/repair the goddamn thing. Then its yer own damn fault. :luckystrike:

Anyway, I hope you found that informative/helpful, Crunch. :professor:

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Re: M-16A1[message #77514] Wed, 16 July 2003 02:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CptCrunch is currently offline CptCrunch

 
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That was great help. Thanks

As to weapons cleaning, I have read enough history on warfare to develop a fanatical obsession with keeping weapons clean. Every battle the guns and equipment gets cleaned regardless. I figured my men got enough to worry about during a firefight than wondering whether their weapons would jam.

And the M-16 would STILL jam in the middle of a battle.
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Re: M-16A1[message #77515] Wed, 16 July 2003 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dr.Quack is currently offline Dr.Quack

 
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With some guns (AA52) it's even worth taking a replacement one rather than ammo... That bit is entirely the idea of Becoming-X Smile The reliabality problem is even worse with the update patch installed.

But again there's a slight technical limitation here: UB allows to set the gun reliability between +5 and -5... In practice, -5 means ~1% status lost per shot, quite a lot. And already -4 is almost without effect if the mercs polish the chrome after every battle. All other values from -3 to +5 are practically useless for this gunstat.

So -4.5 reliability would probably have been better in some cases, but we can't have it (yet?), just like longer bursts and and and...

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Re: M-16A1[message #77516] Sat, 19 July 2003 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BTW, I know I am dreaming but have any of the creative minds in this forum thought of creating such a cleaning kit (which could or could not be attached to rifles to save space). Like a mini toolbox but it would only work for "repairing" weapons. Just a thought. :sign: Cheers and out.

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Re: M-16A1[message #77517] Sat, 19 July 2003 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stealth Mongoose is currently offline Stealth Mongoose

 
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It wouldn't be "off-theme" or whatever, as there's plenty of weapons that come with integral cleaning brushes hidden somewhere on the weapon. M16A1, and the Thompson submachine-guns, to name a couple.

I just don't know if it'd be possible to code it to only do weapon upkeep.

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Re: M-16A1[message #77518] Wed, 23 July 2003 00:22 Go to previous message
Heart is currently offline Heart

 
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Maybe enough to make it as small as a sanitary pack and stop using it once your weapons in your hands are "repaired" (so that you don't waste it for your EOD pants).

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