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Re: Experimental Project 7[message #350652 is a reply to message #350648] Sat, 19 August 2017 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Taleman wrote on Sat, 19 August 2017 19:44
I played today ja2_7609en+AI_r472.exe. Some questions:
Seems when exiting battle mode some backpacks are automatically picked up, but not all. Perhaps mercs in same squad as the merc to kill the last enemy get their backpacks picked up. Is this intended behaviour?

All mercs in the sector should pick up backpack when combat ends. I will check this.

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Control-Shift-F no longer makes mercs pick up their own backpack. It does empty backpacks. Is there a new hot key to pick up dropped backpacks?

No, the hotkey is the same. This may be related to r8404 change by The_Bob which also empties LBE items in inventory when calling SeperateItems().
The problem with picking up backpacks may be related to 1.13 LBE bugs.
Also, if you are playing with new mouse commands (ALTERNATE_MOUSE_COMMANDS = TRUE), then CTRL+ALT+MouseWheelUp allows to pick up backpacks for all mercs in sector.

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Is the enemy playing with different rules?

No, the rules are the same for player and AI, so AI soldier cannot know opponent's location if he cannot see or hear him.

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Now that I have played in the jungle sectors around Chitzena, enemy seems very good at going to tiles my mercs can not see.

Yes, it's intended behavior as AI will always try to hide from known (recently seen or heard) opponents, also he will always try to hide behind some obstacle so it helps to hide from player even if AI doesn' know exact location as any obstacle like tree, rock or even grass provides sight cover.
From my experience, it is very hard to fight in dense sectors like forest or jungle, so it usually needs some special tactics, for example using fire to remove cover for enemy and prevent enemy from flanking, also shooting for suppression and using a lot of grenades. Or using mercs disguised as soldiers to be used as spotters.

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I suspect enemy does not need to see all my mercs to know good hiding places.

It is true as AI can know opponent's location by hearing, for example when your merc is shooting or moving. Also when AI soldier hides behind the obstace, it usually provides cover from opponents in the cover direction and not only from your exact location. AI also remembers opponent's location for 3 turns though information may become inaccurate - you can use it by shooting to attract enemy attention and then, if he doesn't want to come, approach from flank - you will see that AI soldier will usually look in your old direction trying to ambush you.

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When I try to stay hidden it seems to never work, enemy sees my stealth mode mercs with 15 % camo right when they are within sight rance, unless enemy has their back turned.

Stealth mode doesn't help to hide, it only makes your steps silent if your merc has high enough stats (agility and experience if I remember correctly). In my tests I have no problem to hide from enemy, so I use it to approach from flank and killing him, the important thing is that you should not make any noise.
Also take into account that enemy soldiers can have scopes equipped that greatly enhance vision range.

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Is there some changes now in aiming or rifle accuracy? Seems 20 to 25 tiles away is too much distance to hit with rifles even for good mercs. I have only 2 times scopes, but even Stephen is an awful shot with Mini-14. The mercs do go prone, use scope, spend ap to aiming, are rested and are not hurt or the injury is already bandaged. Still it seems best procedure is to just spray a lot of bullets and hope for hits. The enemy is also very bad shot, but occasionally they get sudden inspiration and get very accurate.

It depends on what aiming system you are using, as OCTH and NCTH are very different.
If you are playing in OCTH, target movement plays important role as it greatly reduces your CTH, you can counter that by shooting with autofire using tracer bullets, or simply suppress enemy and kill him next turn when he cannot move much.
Also, in both systems, suppression fire reduces marksmanship and dexterity of soldiers, so if your merc is under heavy fire, he cannot shoot effectively. And since AI shoots for suppression a lot on heard targets, it may become a problem.
You can counter this by tactics - in your front line there should be mercs with fast shooting SMGs or ARs that suppress enemy and take enemy fire, in your back line there should be snipers that don't get suppressed so they can shoot accurately.
There are no hidden CTH bonuses for AI except those that exist in Ja2_options.ini and CTHConstants.ini since original 7609. In OCTH minimum CTH is set to 1% when shooting at legs/torso, so sometimes AI and you will hit each other. In NCTH there is no such thing as calculated CTH, but NCTH shooting mechanics means there's always a good chance to hit target, especially with autofire, so it may look sometimes as extremely lucky shot, especially in Ja2+AI when enemy shoots much more.
I can say that in my tests with OCTH I have no problem hitting enemy unless he moved a lot his turn or he is behind good cover or my merc has high suppression shock.
If you are using NCTH it's recommended to make some adjustments to CTHConstants.ini as default values are really bad and unbalanced compared to good old OCTH.

[Updated on: Sat, 19 August 2017 19:32]




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