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Re: Experimental Project 7[message #352724 is a reply to message #352720] Wed, 21 March 2018 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
townltu

 
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I agree that attacker should get initiative,
works fine on big maps where the ground which attacker makes in the 1st turn
does not reduce the "safe" area for defender as much as on small ones,
especially for attacks from multiple sectors.
Perhaps you can reduce attackers AP in 1st turn for some amount like 20-30%,
still enough to allow killing instantly spotted mercs/militia at map border;)


Sound raising suspicion level explains it,
perhaps also why redisguise happened as enemy stopped hearing spy when disguise dropped, so counter was reset.
Anyway will check if a save from D2 is still present.



Well "in front of him" was quite exaggerated, sorry, merc looking through binocs was shot by soldier
in <30 tiles distance who was not invisible due to camo settings, which i adjusted to imo balanced results in game.
long story:
In standard dev releases you get instant vision cone of scope/binoc according to shift+v overlay,
but vision is only updated if we spend some ap, no matter how, e.g. change stance, use canteen, etc.
There is the exploit to go strategic map and back as it updates view, always works.
With AI exe the same is also possible and it shows that we dont see enemies on 1st look through scope
as soon as they are 1 tile out of sight rage for unarmed eye,
camo obviously cant be too high, else we wouldnt spot them at all even when forcing vision update with switch to other map.
Regarding mods low ready cost, take extreme 50 AP to raise the gun and add 7x6AP,
still a full 360 degree vision control in one turn is possible,
for ai scope that takes 8x20 + 7x6 AP, without the 8 turns for delayed vision updates.
If player does not shoot unseen enemies, spotters make less sense, better use a gun to watch and be ready to shoot,
but for shooting unseen targets player and all players in early game with no scopes it makes a difference.


I dont think vision bonus should be completely removed, but like in most mods things become op over time,
just another cool item that is a tiny bit better than the last one, which already was beyond balance.
 
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