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Re: Experimental Project 7[message #358530 is a reply to message #358520] Wed, 20 November 2019 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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[expletive]!! the board software just logged me out on preview of the reply,
which was ofc gone since there is no auto restore function (respectively its not activated)
Must i get used to ctrl+A -> ctrl+C before hitting any "send" or "preview" button also on this board?

However, here we go again:

Kitty wrote on Tue, 19 November 2019 23:51
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- townltu, can you please tell me what other item-placements concerned you, so that I can look into AR maps if this is anyhow related to them?

1st thing the majority of players will likely notice, like me, is the M24A3 SWS (short name M24A3) silenced 338 sniper rifle
in the most southern house of sector A10, think its the sectors only undamaged building,
in the cabinet where you usually find the 1st aid kit (i.e. not the locker w canteens)
Iirc the cabinet is on gridno 17702.
Looking at IoV's items.xml the M24A3 has uiIndex 1176 items.xml of vanilla \data\... folder has only iirc 346 entries,
while 1176 in items.xml of 1.13 is the hunter vest, which would make perfect sense to me.

Note the M24A3 has no ammo or attachments, so its not unbalancing the game in matters of op equipment,
until you take Estoni and can order ammo (i guess its already available at progress zero)
Financial imbalance can be avoided by simply deleting the various M24A3s (stopped counting at 5)
but its at least annoying in my book.



Did not write down any other wrong placements,
but ofc remember the Cheytac M200(also bare of anything) in one of San Mona's sectors,
its uiIndex is 1181 in items.xml of IoV, equals to again more reasonable No. 32 scope in 1.13

Then there are several items placed on maps which i think are are wrong,
their conditions are usually at the capacity of the mags they probably represent,
based on the fact that i get the same items on the cursor when i manually eject mags via [shift]+[r-click],
not sure whether from weapons dropped by soldiers or weapons also placed on the map
I would guess the latter, since there were no mags for the AUG Hbar but two M9 silenced pistols in Tixa
bith have ID1059 in their related(?) xmls, and else Soldiers may also drop weird stuff,
if my basic understanding how all this works together is not wrong.
Tell me what i shoiuld look for in my campaign,
i will keep an eye on that and report to destination of your choice, i.e. here, other topic or via PM.


btw and somewhat OT, i must say that the base design of 1.13 is not really modding friendly,
has anybody used madgods Cosmic Forge Editor for Wizardry 6 - 8 on Wiz8?
Its an all in one editor created by a single person and constantly improved since ~17y,
in all sub editors for items, monsters, loot, locations(3D), NPCs(incl non cryptic script commands;), spells, encounter tables, missiles, items, facts (=global variables) and the lists for the different types of game entities,
a 2x click on an entry will instantly call the sub editor related to the specific entry.

The only thing that leaves the desire for improvement open is the manual, unless you are as familar with CF as I am ;)


Some thoughts on how modding 1.13 respectively combining sub mods in 1.13 could be improved:

As far as i know (again cmiiw), it is required to have at least ammo mags in ascending order regarding their capacity,
which created a lot of hassle for edmortimer when he added mags of different size,
effectively keeping him away from repeating it for more mag sizes
and resort to workatrounds like no crates for specific cartridges in order to make space for a few new mag sizes.

One approach could be to create an items xml where every cartridge gets mag sizes assigned from 1 to 100 in single steps,
and some up to 200 as the afaik highest number, e.g. for 5.56 MG belts.
If other items respectively their category behave similar,
they also must get a ton of placeholders which covers any numbers of variations that we can imagine to come.
Ofc every thing has to be adapted to that huge items.xml,
but the quite demotivating fact that all your work of adaption is gone as soon as a new revision comes up
would not be present and more people may be motivated to do that work.
Aso, I think it is not required to
"spend a couple of hours finding matching items (mostly guns and maybe LBE), comparing stats and coolness."
OO or Excel functions should allow to do that automatically,
with the limitation that iirc both only work on a single data block,
so you may have to move columns which are likely to have difference in entries,
like weapon name, its AP cost or whatever differs from a mod to base 1.13 (probably also "nada" items lines)
to the beginning or end of the block, in order to avoid false positives.
You could tell the program to add an entry in front/at the end of every line for which it has found a reference in the other xml,
so you only have to look at the remaining entries for which no reference has been found (there will be a lot remaining;)
btw its always a good practice to add ascending index numbers for every line (in front)
in case you delete/move lines or sort the whole according to a different column.


OO and excel also allow to link entries in specific input fields to entries of input fields other files,
meaning if you change an items value in items xml it can also affect the related entry in the xml for weapons,
soldier equipment, dealer inventory etc.
Ofc those other xml files require different or more entries than we have in items.xml
the leaast effort solution may be a sheet which contains all possible entries for every existing xml,
and use some macros to collect the appropriate columns for the specific xml files,
paste into new file and save them as *.xml to disk,
or paste into notepad++, phase5, scite etc in case OO/Excel cant export in correct format.



Optionally it should be possible to teach the game to use multiple items.xml files.
Imagine the code adds a value to each item according to the specific xml from which it was taken,
As long as maps, dealer inventories, soldier equipment etc uses its single specific .xml
i cant see any collisions (coders may instantly see several;)
Ofc that could result in e.g. Glock 17 from mod A which could require a different amount of APs to use
than its twin from mod B.



"so no more guns from bartenders"
I think that contradicts AR's theme of "living off the land",
hopefully its not coded and can easily be undone in a .xml

[Updated on: Wed, 20 November 2019 18:12]

 
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