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C Programmers Wanted![message #100272]

Mon, 01 March 2004 22:05

Shanga is currently offline

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Registered:January 2000
Location: Danubia

Guys, I think we should stop talking and start organizing ourselves for the "Project Source Code" aka "Making JA2 Moddable".

First things first, we need to rally anyone who can read, write and understand C code.

Next I will create a dedicated forum and we can start discussing what are the priorites.

Third, as someone suggested, after we take a peek at the code we should work with our friends from other forums on what we should focus on and how we are going to do it. We have people who are active on more than one forum and I'd count on them to make the link.

So, start adding your names to the list below!

[Updated on: Sat, 07 November 2015 02:58] by Moderator

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100273]

Tue, 02 March 2004 00:05

TrailBlazer is currently offline

Messages:511
Registered:September 2001
Location: Athens, Greece

I can read and understand C with a little help, and I'm having C classes starting from this month. Even though I'm mostly self-taught in these things, university should help speed up understanding the differences from different languages.

For the moment I know little more than nothing in C, but I know about computer programming and I'm a quick learner. I'd like to offer myself.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100274]

Tue, 02 March 2004 01:27

Sint is currently offline

Messages:37
Registered:August 2003
Location: Amsterdam, The Netherland...

I'm a university student from The Netherlands. I'm right now in the second year of what we call 'informatica', which translated equals computer science.
Some of the classes I've had so far are databases, operating systems, graphics, programming in C and Java, logic, math and many more.
Most of the practical assignments we do are in C, so I've build up some experience. Right now I'm building the datastructure for a chatserver in C and I'm learning C++.

I own all of the versions of JA (JA1, JA:DG, JA2, JA2UB) and I play JA:DG multiplayer almost every week.
You can safely say I'm interested in the sourcecode. I'm not sure if I have enough experience to really do something with it, but it's worth a shot. My first focus would be multiplayer, because that would just be a great thing to get working.

Sint - :saint:

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100275]

Tue, 02 March 2004 02:12

Scorpius is currently offline

Messages:36
Registered:March 2004

(renamed from Andrei, one who tried to get Linux version to work on Windows)
I'm a C++ programmer by day. I'll be buying Wildfire so I can a full version and have a look at the code.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100276]

Tue, 02 March 2004 06:00

Abdul is currently offline

Messages:211
Registered:August 2001

Quote:

Originally posted by Sint:
Right now I'm building the datastructure for a chatserver in C and I'm learning C++.

An Ircd ? If yes, i'd be more than interested in chatting with you about it. I'm interested in programming ircd-s, well, better let's say "willing to learn" about it. Smile

Smile

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100277]

Tue, 02 March 2004 10:44

Tox is currently offline

Messages:249
Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

well, i know nothing about C yet, but maybe this is a reason to learn it Wink

Wink

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100278]

Tue, 02 March 2004 19:01

Sint is currently offline

Messages:37
Registered:August 2003
Location: Amsterdam, The Netherland...

Quote:

Originally posted by Abdul:
An Ircd ? If yes, i'd be more than interested in chatting with you about it. I'm interested in programming ircd-s, well, better let's say "willing to learn" about it.

It's not an actual irc server, it's a practical assignment. The assignment is inspired by irc, but what we're making won't work outside the classroom.
But let's just stay on topic here and limit discussion here to the JA2 sourcecode.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100279]

Tue, 02 March 2004 19:37

Sweeper is currently offline

Messages:99
Registered:March 2002
Location: Namsos, Tr

Well, as I am currently working on botmans Source I am not sure if there is room for me here, as I am a C++ man and not a C man, but if you got something for me anyways, you can sign me up.

Anyways, I will be gunning for the Source anyways.
Perhaps see if I can convert it to C++, they all look alike.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100280]

Tue, 02 March 2004 22:18

GreenStain9396 is currently offline

Messages:14
Registered:April 2003
Location: Texas, Guess where

I have only basic knowledge on C (classes @ univ), but this sounds like an awesome
way for improvement. Definitely interesting.

Don't know about you guys, but right after I got a little bit into C++ (just a little) C looked like an old pain in the @$$ you don't want to remember anymore. Cool

Cool

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100281]

Wed, 03 March 2004 01:13

Scorpius is currently offline

Messages:36
Registered:March 2004

C is the old pain in the @$$ Smile

Smile

Well, it all depends whether coder does a good job or not. One can make C++ code look like something out of Hellraiser movies, or make C code look like Cindirella.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100282]

Wed, 03 March 2004 01:18

Detective Arno Dick is currently offline

Detective Arno Dick

Messages:6
Registered:January 2001
Location: The Great White North

I've got 3 years of C++ experience. Not sure how relevant this is to C, but I got it Smile

Smile

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100283]

Wed, 03 March 2004 04:03

Scorpius is currently offline

Messages:36
Registered:March 2004

Anyone who codes now in C++ can code in C. It's easy to pick it up again. Most of the time, people learned and worked with C first, and then moved onto C++.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100284]

Wed, 03 March 2004 04:51

ZaPPPa is currently offline

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Registered:January 2004
Location: San Jose, CA

I have a number of years experience in C++ as designer of timing and scoring equipment for autoracing. You heard about the new Freeze the Field on a yellow flag rules for NASCAR? I programmed that.. and the drivers love me for it, especially McMurray Smile

Smile

Anyway, I do not have a lot of time (I am currently stationed in the US and have to attend every NASCAR race weekend), but if you want I could take on small parts of code or very specific wishes that may be complex, but do not require a lot of time. Or as a consultant... Let me know.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100285]

Wed, 03 March 2004 08:55

TrailBlazer is currently offline

Messages:511
Registered:September 2001
Location: Athens, Greece

Uhh well C++ is object oriented and C is not. It's better for someone to start learning C++ right from the start than learn C first and C++ later.

(Btw, anyone knows anything about C#?)

I noticed VB7 and VB6 are pretty much that too.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100286]

Wed, 03 March 2004 17:01

Sweeper is currently offline

Messages:99
Registered:March 2002
Location: Namsos, Tr

According to what I see in my handbook here.
Just some different commands on regular basis, how it gets further out, I am not sure.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100287]

Thu, 04 March 2004 13:17

GreenStain9396 is currently offline

Messages:14
Registered:April 2003
Location: Texas, Guess where

You can actually use any C commands in C++, but what sucks is that you can't use C++ syntax w/ a C compiler.

C++ commands are so much more convenient. Compare the C++ "cout" w/ the "printf" crap in C. And that's only one of many examples.

I'm pretty sure many programmers around here will be doing stuff in C++ rather than in C.

All right, I've another reason to brag about C++. The guy who designed it (Bjarne Stroustrup) teaches in a university pretty close to where I live, pity it's not in mine and the fact I suck @ programming. Very Happy

Very Happy

EDIT: By the way, HERE is the man's homepage. Go get info from the legend himself! Smile

Smile

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100288]

Thu, 04 March 2004 18:59

Sweeper is currently offline

Messages:99
Registered:March 2002
Location: Namsos, Tr

Well his interview which there is a copy of at Bots-united.com, let me show you.

http://forums.bots-united.com/showthread.php?t=796
Have a read on that... Maybe somebody will convert the Ja2 source to C++?
Some people did it of a patch source for Transport Tycoon.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100289]

Thu, 04 March 2004 22:54

ramfall is currently offline

Messages:405
Registered:January 2001
Location: JAmodsquad, Helsingborg, ...

I know C.
:ramfall:

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100290]

Fri, 05 March 2004 03:41

gorgo is currently offline

Messages:6
Registered:August 2003
Location: nl

great idear, maby this study can help us? http://www.joegrip.com/
@Sweeper the merc, reali fun link, LOL.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100291]

Fri, 05 March 2004 12:09

GreenStain9396 is currently offline

Messages:14
Registered:April 2003
Location: Texas, Guess where

WTF

LoL! and I always thought those CS bastards were working hard for the dough. Razz

Razz

Well, I think I'll have to take back my previous statements. Perhaps the next mod will be...

ja2UC++1of10.rar
Download size:6.6Gb

Dang, I guess I'll need to trash my 56k pretty soon... Wink

Wink

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100292]

Fri, 05 March 2004 17:27

Sweeper is currently offline

Messages:99
Registered:March 2002
Location: Namsos, Tr

No need to thrash it, just remember, buy a VIA motherboard, and overclock it to DSL speeds Wink

Wink

That was a joke from MaNcE in a "Why not to buy a VIA" He is an overclocker...

Anyways, I doubt you would reach that size... even if you did, I need to run out and buy a new motherboard, and EXPENSIVE RAM sticks.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100293]

Fri, 05 March 2004 18:08

wuchu is currently offline

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Registered:March 2004

I know C

Very Happy

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100294]

Sat, 06 March 2004 01:03

FireMissiles is currently offline

Messages:31
Registered:February 2003
Location: UK

I know C, I use it mostly writing xps for SQL Server now, which is obviously no use what so ever to this so i have no idea why i posted. Apart from the fact that I have an immense amount of free time on my hands (unemployment does that to you) and would be willing to help in any way I can in understanding the code.

F.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100295]

Sat, 06 March 2004 02:22

Scorpius is currently offline

Messages:36
Registered:March 2004

Wow....I missed the release date Smile

Smile

Looks like I'll be picking up the game tonight and spending some time looking through the source checking to see how easy it is to get the datafile support into it.
So.........any particular requests for what should be moved out of code and put into datafiles so it can be modded?

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100296]

Sat, 06 March 2004 07:11

Parano is currently offline

Messages:16
Registered:August 2000
Location: CH

Count me in! I'm really interested at looking into the code of JA2.
I'm a C/C++ programmer, only I don't know DX programming much. But JA2 is not only about displaying stuff anyway Very Happy

Very Happy

About C/C++ ... if you know C++ then you can code in C. It's just that you'll find it disturbing not to be able to think "object oriented". And I think it wont be a problem to extend JA2 functionalities with C++ code without altering the existing C code. Of course the best would be to "convert" everything to C++ Smile

Smile

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100297]

Sat, 06 March 2004 07:49

Tox is currently offline

Messages:249
Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

Quote:

Originally posted by Scorpius:
Wow....I missed the release date
Looks like I'll be picking up the game tonight and spending some time looking through the source checking to see how easy it is to get the datafile support into it.
So.........any particular requests for what should be moved out of code and put into datafiles so it can be modded?

actually every table in an external file is a huge improvement Wink

Wink

preferably ini-files, they are so easy to implement in delphi Wink

Wink

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100298]

Sat, 06 March 2004 10:28

GreenStain9396 is currently offline

Messages:14
Registered:April 2003
Location: Texas, Guess where

Quote:

Anyways, I doubt you would reach that size... even if you did, I need to run out and buy a new motherboard, and EXPENSIVE RAM sticks.

Hmm... Maybe all this C++ stuff was a plot from AMD after all

Go Athlon64! Wink

Wink

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100299]

Sun, 07 March 2004 03:10

quixote is currently offline

Messages:1
Registered:January 2004
Location: Canada

I ain't no programmer and I can't mix drinks like my famous brothers, but if you need an artist who does 3d and knows photoshop etc... I'm yours.

Just got my copy, source code and all....
Cheers
Manny.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100300]

Sun, 07 March 2004 15:20

Snap is currently offline

Messages:286
Registered:September 2000
Location: USA (by way of the Old Wo...

Quote:

Originally posted by GreenStain9396:
C++ commands are so much more convenient. Compare the C++ "cout" w/ the "printf" crap in C. And that's only one of many examples.

I'm pretty sure many programmers around here will be doing stuff in C++ rather than in C.

Actually, the simplicity and compactness of printf is one of the things I miss the most in C++. I understand the reasons why C++ folks don't like it, but still.

Other than that, I agree.

I remember when I was adapting W4st's wedit for my own uses, I had to compile it in C90 because his K&R C wouldn't compile on a C++ compiler, and my C++-style stuff wouldn't compile on an older C compiler. I suspect that JA2 was written mostly in K&R C; I hope it will compile on later compiler versions.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100301]

Sun, 07 March 2004 18:45

SSFSX17 is currently offline

Messages:26
Registered:November 2003
Location: California

Someone asked about C#. Microsoft's C# is basically what happens when you try to make something in between Java and Python and put a Microsoft twist on it. More on-topic, I'm really familiar with the whole C-style syntax through my work with C++, Java, and Python. So I imagine working with C/C++ would simply be a matter of trying to get used to a lot of inconveniences and restrictions. I'm still not confident that I can do something like read source code and modify it, since I'm still a little kid in college.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100302]

Mon, 08 March 2004 03:19

Tox is currently offline

Messages:249
Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

what's K&R C?

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JA2STI Creator

Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100303]

Mon, 08 March 2004 07:58

TrailBlazer is currently offline

Messages:511
Registered:September 2001
Location: Athens, Greece

What's Python? Wink

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100304]

Mon, 08 March 2004 13:14

Andrei is currently offline

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Registered:February 2004

K&R: Kernighan and Richie "The C Programming Language", the original C.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100305]

Tue, 09 March 2004 17:06

Tox is currently offline

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

thx

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100306]

Wed, 10 March 2004 04:27

SSFSX17 is currently offline

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Registered:November 2003
Location: California

Python's official website is http://www.python.org/ and it was named after Monty Python. If that didn't make it awesome enough, Python also has a very "lean" syntax: you type a lot less symbols and stuff to do the same things as in C and C++. It's also on the extreme end of the object-oriented approach, but it's not strict with a lot of its stuff like Java is. Java is really anal retentive about strictness and types, and my professors like it that way.

Python has modules (in C) that are designed to allow a programmer to make a C program use Python as a kind of extension language or scripting language. Python is also used for "prototyping." Basically, people iron out a working program in Python first, and then they add in all the C++ syntax later. Python is not for everyone, although it is very handy for scripting of all kinds. Perl is supposedly better with regex parsing, but Perl programs are a lot harder to reuse/rewrite/read/integrate/extend the way you do with Python.

Approaching the topic again: a lot of people in the Python community are also hardcore C programmers. I'm not one of them, unfortunately.

I guess the most help I could offer would be Quality Control and algorithm analysis, since that's the only stuff I could quickly do on C source without straining myself.

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100307]

Wed, 10 March 2004 13:27

ralphtrickey is currently offline

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Registered:March 2004
Location: Colorado Springs

I'm interested. I know C.

Anyone know what compiler it was written with?

Does anyone know what the EULA looks like?

We'll need to decide what compiler to use.

Take a look at the Apolyton.com forum under Call To Power 2 if you want to see some issues that they ran up against. Things like a commercial sound library, changes to the DirectX libraries, etc.

Ralph

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100308]

Wed, 10 March 2004 22:54

Shanga is currently offline

Messages:3480
Registered:January 2000
Location: Danubia

Hi gang. We've just opened the first forum dedicated to the JA2 source talk. Feel free to carry on the discussions regarding this matter in there.

For now the forum will be public. As soon as a definite team is set up, we'll move it to its own category, together with a private forum.

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=39

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100309]

Thu, 11 March 2004 00:54

Fairy is currently offline

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Registered:February 2003
Location: Sunny old South or, errrm...

Just out of interest, why a private forum? The source code has been released, so any Russians/Germans/Whatevers popping over from other forums and seeing how *our* efforts are going would be a good thing, right?

Fairy

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100310]

Thu, 11 March 2004 02:11

joker_pl is currently offline

Messages:35
Registered:March 2004
Location: Poland - Cracow

hi i know some c++ but i understand also c. but i have a question. is source code included in wildlife or maby i can download it somewhere of course if i pay?

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Re: C Programmers Wanted![message #100311]

Thu, 11 March 2004 07:28

Shanga is currently offline

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Location: Danubia

@Fairy - keeps the team focused, in theory.

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