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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133127]
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Sun, 18 March 2007 23:09  
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Jagged Alliance 2 is a great game, my favorite of all times. Ive played it a lot, even though probably not as much as many people here.
But I cant play it forever, I want new games. And by that I mean NEW games, not JA2 redone in 3D (or better-looking 2D). Turn-based tactical combat is fun, and it is a fine art being polished for decades now, JA2 probably being the pinnacle of it. But is not perfect, and it is not the only valid way of recreating tactical combat in a computer game.
Saying that JA2 is perfect, that turn-based is perfect, and becouse of that nothing new, nothing different as the right to be created, is like saying that Rafael was the greatet painter of all times, so the human race should have just stopped painting after he died and we should spend the rest of the eternity staring at his same paintings.
Some people actually think that way, about art, video-games, music, almost everything. And in spite of then, people keep painting new pictures, making new music, new games, etc. And so new great stuff (and even turn based combat was something new on its days) can still be invented.
My advice for the fanatics is this: let go. JA2 is great, but is already done. Now how about we let developers try something different? If all you want is that every new tactical game is just like JA2, then you dont need new games, just keep playing JA2 till the end of times.
That said, I have to confess I havent tried E5 mysels yet, but from all I heard, I seens really interesting. Now Im playing a modern X-COM clone called "UFO: Afterlight". Its not perfect, but its good enough to have changed my mind about RTwP. It just works really well, it does not requires any reflexes, it auto-pauses in any relevant event (almost every 5 seconds, actually), it is really strategic and fun to play, and combat has a more realist flow that turn-based cant achieve. It is not as deep and varied as JA2 combat, but the original JA also wanst, turn based came a long way to become that good.
So yeah, now Im optimistic about the future of RTwP tactical combat now and thats why I want to try E5 and its sequel. Im not expecting it to be has good has JA2 was, but I know it is probably good, and it will be a different experience. And maybe, in a not so far future, some talented developers might you a similar system to make a tactical game even better than JA2. Anyway, it will never going to happen if all the game developers are allowed to do is try to recreate JA2.
[Updated on: Sun, 18 March 2007 23:20] by Moderator Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133146]
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Mon, 19 March 2007 05:37
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Registered:August 2005
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ZaPPPaWow, maybe you should stop watching Fox News so much...
WHATS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN!
For your information I do not watch TV, and yes English is what you have to learn to compete in this world, it is international and you being from the states disgust me with your anti-English attitude. On the other hand, are you an illegal that is fighting against this country and taking Americans jobs to boot?
You want a slim fest will that is up to you.
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #133181]
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Mon, 19 March 2007 14:38
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| Trevor |
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Registered:March 2007
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Ok, Guys! Peace!!!
My opinion is that 3D isn't bad technik, i m waiting for Stalker!!!!!!!!! But the question is : is that way is doing somethongs good for a gameplay?
I love turn base and i saw Heroes of might and Magic 5 like a treason!!!
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #145220]
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Mon, 18 June 2007 03:16
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| Smakkz |
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i got E5, and i can say the following:
* The crappy/hilarious voice acting (i mean, the irish woman sounds like an east european guy. No offence!)
* Occasional crashes
* The repetitive maps, ( if battles start in a certain place on the strategic map, i get the same tactical map as the last time. More battle maps!)
* Outdated graphics ( i mean, im not a graphics geek. I love JA and JA2, even though its way outdated. But it seems hastily assembled.
That was the bad parts of the game:
And now the good ones:
* Massive selection of guns 
* Interesting meld of RT and (Turn-based) combat, im writing turnbased in () cause i mean using pause and planning your attack and movement, is a turn.
* Freedom of choice, working of any side. Either for the good, the bad or the ugly >
Anyways, could recommend Cops 2170: The Power of Law. Although it got a few glitches. Both E5 and Cops 2170 can be bought at strategyfirst. Just got my summer money from my work, so im testing out these, and downloaded the JA2 gold from em.. Just to keep the withdrawals at bay, until Fallout 3 comes out and hopefully JA3
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #148734]
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Mon, 09 July 2007 17:39
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fredThe problem of the future of JA is that a majority of custumers (players) don't want 2D in games. A new games have to be nice and in 3D now!
I like 3D games like Oblivion, Kotor1... But 2D graphism are better in some sort of game like JA.
The industry of game more interest to build 3D engine cause it's the new spring for making money. Cause, Now a lots of games are on PSX or XboxX and PC at soame time etc... And it's means games no longer be making like JA was making, i think.
I wouldn't mind if the next JA game would look something Company of Heroes. Not the gameplay of course, but he look/engine.
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #155385]
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Sat, 01 September 2007 04:20
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| nikkimond |
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E5 Rocks! As for E5 graphics, the models are extremely hi res and spot on. The weapon detail is amazing. Add a lazer sight to your rifle and there it is, even the red beam shows up and flashes around. The terrain graphics suck, square slopes. Superb weapon calculations and physics, big weapons take longer to aim, and that is factored into the initiative.
I'm not really sure why one would need to walk in a stealthy stance in turn based Jazz. Running gets you further. Its not like in realtime where somebody can shoot you on the run exposed. Because in realtime stealth actually does something when you move. every milisecond counts and pistols shoot sooner than rifles in close quarters.
Dont get me wrong I will probably get Jazz if they take off the angle and camera scroll restrictions, Im sure they will. Turn based is fun too, its just not realistic in the real world sense.
And POV ray the damn maps. Hey mist Land.... add some shadows to the terrain!
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #165938]
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Thu, 29 November 2007 02:21
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| afp |
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Check the threads in my signature there, there is a modding tutorial, also on the main forum the thread called "Inside saved games files"
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #175486]
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Tue, 12 February 2008 22:29
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E5 rule and the sentence by afp is right, if you love JA2 you can't love E5...the combat at least.
My suggestion is try it on custom difficulty mode with all the easy things on, find out how the game mechanics works (missions, game level change, money, store, factions, mercs(and joinable npcs), travel...survival and combat first of all), then start again at your desired difficulty level, be on the role of your char as it's yourself on the field and if something dumb happens remember this: it's a 6 out of 10 game with the best blend of turn and real time combat out there.
7.62 is even better despite the russian language.
And don't play without Immortal Badass!
It's a shame that Apeiron talks frequently only to russian speaking people and the english version takes ages to come out.
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| Re: Brigade E5: New Jagged Union[message #175489]
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Tue, 12 February 2008 22:43
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Registered:November 2007 |
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Double Duke
7.62 is even better despite the russian language.
And don't play without Immortal Badass!
It's a shame that Apeiron talks frequently only to russian speaking people and the english version takes ages to come out.
I just finished tonight the english translation for 7.62. Some of the quest are still machine translated (about 20%) and the english UI is only for 1280x1024 or above - too lazy to make it for 800x600, and maybe useless. But overall looks good and you can understand the quests.
http://www.strategyfirst.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34738
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