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low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201923] Tue, 18 November 2008 21:00 Go to next message
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Anyone know why i am having low loyalty in Alma. I can't train Militia there. I recently freed and recruited dynamo from Tixa jail but the queen's army took over tixa jail once i left. Is it caz of that? Right now, I have Drassen with 98% loyalty and Omerta with 100% and Chitzena with 98% loyalty. Please help.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201924] Tue, 18 November 2008 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has the Queen retaken any Alma sectors?
Did you accidentally kill any civilians (either by shot, explosive, or gas)?

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201925] Tue, 18 November 2008 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alma is always slow to gain loyalty. Take Dynamo to talk to the head miner (who's his bro). There are a couple of other quests that will help push up the loyalty, too. Talk to everyone who has a "name" in town.

Also, if any civilians were killed in your battles that will have a bit hit on loyalty.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201927] Tue, 18 November 2008 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No. Didn't kill any civilians but since I can't have militia, queen's army has been taking over a sector in Alma and then i go there clear that out and then queen's army takes over another sector so i m jst going back n forth with that. Dynamo did talk to his bro and the loyalty did jump up a bit but went down again. I also killed bloodcats on the east...so yeah...sigh. I am going to trying talking to ppl who has "name" in their name Smile

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201928] Tue, 18 November 2008 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You must defend Alma, even if you can't train militia there. Every time the Queen takes a sector, you will lose loyalty. As you defend sectors from Queen counterattacks, loyalty will rise, then you can train militia.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201940] Tue, 18 November 2008 23:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you may try clean out tiger nest located near alma..

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201943] Wed, 19 November 2008 00:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He already did that.

You MUST prevent the Queen from retaking Alma sectors. Until you do, you will never be able to train militia.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #201968] Wed, 19 November 2008 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok what I am trying to do is leave 3-4 mercs in Alma and hire more to go around and save other cities...let's see how that works

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202008] Wed, 19 November 2008 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That is a good idea. You should also scout around Alma. If you see an enemy group near the border, either attack them first (alma loyalty will go up even if you battle and win outside the town borders), or move your mercs to the correct sector to defend against the attack.

Many people only play with 6 mercs, but I typically play with around 15 (all active duty, no mules) or so. The main drawback to having a lot of mercs is that overall, they gain levels and experience slower than a small team.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202038] Wed, 19 November 2008 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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in alma exist one more quest: liberate joey from army...sarge from first sector must stay alive..

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202039] Wed, 19 November 2008 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wolf00
in alma exist one more quest: liberate joey from army...sarge from first sector must stay alive..


I believe the quest is to bring Joey back from San Mona. He's a peeping Tom outside the brothel.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202043] Wed, 19 November 2008 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wolf00
in alma exist one more quest: liberate joey from army...sarge from first sector must stay alive..


Who is sarge and which first sector?

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202044] Wed, 19 November 2008 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I've killed sarge already...he was gonna kill us otherwise lol

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202045] Wed, 19 November 2008 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wolf00
in alma exist one more quest: liberate joey from army...sarge from first sector must stay alive..


I believe the quest is to bring Joey back from San Mona. He's a peeping Tom outside the brothel.


Oops.. I was thinking this was Cambria we were talking about. Joey is a Cambria quest.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202047] Wed, 19 November 2008 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe the error was in wolf00's post, not yours. Joey is in San Mona once you liberate the Cambria "suburbs" (SW above the mine) where his aunt lives. Sergeant Kulpa (?) is in the Alma Rifle Range sector (NW sector of Alma).

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202051] Thu, 20 November 2008 00:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jas
I think I've killed sarge already...he was gonna kill us otherwise lol


You killed the Sargent? That's why your town loyalty is low. You aren't supposed to kill him.

You can kill the General and Conrad, if you want. Although I prefer to hire Conrad, he's one of my favorite mercs, even if he is expensive.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202074] Thu, 20 November 2008 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ohhhh i remember now. i didn't kill the Sarge, only the General. Sarge was like "oh, please hold your shooting and blah blah blah" so i didn't kill him.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202077] Thu, 20 November 2008 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yes it is my error...

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202109] Thu, 20 November 2008 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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New update:

So, I killed all the queen's army around the border of Alma. No sector of Alma is take by the queen's army and still the loyalty is only 17%!!!! This IS FRUSTRATING!!! The only thing I see is Tixa which is still under the control of army. Should I go and free Tixa again?

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202111] Thu, 20 November 2008 20:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did you talk to the Sergeant after the battle was finished? He says a line about "spreading the word" about your honour or something like that and leaves. I believe the town loyalty increases slightly when you do that.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202115] Thu, 20 November 2008 20:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wooohooo!!! I took dynamo to speak with Matt, the head miner in Alma. After conversation, the loyalty jumped up to 30% from 18%. I had talked with Matt before but I guess you have to take Dynamo and Matt has to see Dynamo joined the rebel. And now I can train Militia. Finally!!!! Thanks guys for all the help.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202123] Thu, 20 November 2008 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wait till you get to Balime. Loyalty in Balime will not be high enough to train miltia when you first capture it. The only way to get loyalty high enough is to defend Balime from counterattacks until loyalty is high enough. Also make sure you DO NOT kill Edwin (who is guarding the Balime museum), also DO NOT kill Shank's parents, or loyalty will drop to 0.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202133] Fri, 21 November 2008 02:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are they acutally his parents? I always wondered because it would seem to fit, but I think I tried talking to them with Shank once and nothing happened. I mean the "rich guy in Balime".

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202140] Fri, 21 November 2008 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jas
New update:

So, I killed all the queen's army around the border of Alma. No sector of Alma is take by the queen's army and still the loyalty is only 17%!!!! This IS FRUSTRATING!!! The only thing I see is Tixa which is still under the control of army. Should I go and free Tixa again?
you need translator http://www.ja2.wz.cz/index.php?p=ja2

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202155] Fri, 21 November 2008 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alma is supposed to be really hard to control, it *is* the main army base after all. So it is difficult to get loyalty up to where you can train militia and difficult to get much mine income out of it. I have finished games where the loyalty never got up into the 80s even.

I never bother to control Balime any more unless I plan on shopping at the drug store every day. There's no reason to.

By the way, one thing to do that raises morale in every city is to return the chalice to Yanni. I often wait until I control Alma before doing that.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #202160] Fri, 21 November 2008 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I usually do it this way:
1) take Alma by storm, conquering all sectors in one to two days.
2) talk to the Sergeant, Auntie and Matt
3) by that point loyalty is usually at a level where I can train militia, so I train them in every sector until the place is full
4) defend against counterattacks until they slow down
5) head for Tixa with a small high level team and liberate Dynamo and Shank
6) do the bloodcat quest if necessary. I do it later if I don't have to do it right away.

I've played on everything but insane and never had a hitch with loyalty in Alma yet. It's always been slower to increase than other cities, but once you return Dynamo and kill off the bloodcats it's usually close to full.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #230587] Fri, 07 August 2009 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sleep in the day and do the work at night and you will take every city in just one night... not all though Smile That was 10 years ago vith ver.1.03 patched to 1.05

[Updated on: Fri, 07 August 2009 18:02] by Moderator

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #256783] Mon, 19 July 2010 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know the topic is now probably too old for it to matter, but for anyone new reading this:

Alma loyalty is, as stated, initially very low.
I believe this concern is greater with the patches
Timing is CRITICAL as loyalty will slowly fall.
Get a good team, take at least 3 sectors, then clear the bloodcats (after learning about them from the proper person)
as long as you do not give loyalty a chance to drop on you, it should be stable and allow for militia training.
Militia training will allow further gains.
Do not allow other towns to fall during this time, as it will drop loyalty across the board.
If it's not quite there, hunt patrols in the area, or take the 4th sector and fend off the counterattack.

Most towns, you can take a foothold then just militia it up and wait for loyalty to increase.
Alma does not work by these rules. It is tempting to raid Alma for their nice (at the time) weapons, but your second SAM site is a much better bet for this.

If loyalty is already falling, your only option really is to finish all quests and find a way to gain more loyalty from killing patrols than you are losing from the natural drop.

Once again, I stress, SPEED IS EVERYTHING.
"If you can't keep up, don't step up. You'll just die"

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #256784] Mon, 19 July 2010 02:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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why easy, when there is a complicated way

- DO NOT kill sgt. krott and talk to him (let him go), you get a boost for it
- if possible free dynamo (tixa) BEFORE you go to alma and talk to his brother (the whole story)

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #256814] Mon, 19 July 2010 13:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Problem is: you can't do that if you raised the explosives damage in the ini-file, which I do because I think even a small grenade should be somewhat more effective than a christmas cracker. Then, the seargeant is practically always killed by the explosion that goes off after the first enemy encounters in the sector.
Normally, that is no big problem for me, though. At this point in the game I mostly have a trainer-merc with the chalice stationed in Chitzena and fly in Dynamo as soon as I capture the Alma mining sector.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #256849] Mon, 19 July 2010 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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no need to fly him in - just let his brother talk

that's your probvlem - if you decide to play without sgt. krott it's simply your decission

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #256950] Tue, 20 July 2010 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bit of a misunderstanding here, I guess. What I meant was, that I ususally take over Cambria including the SAM site before raiding Tixa and freeing Dynamo who will then be moved to Cambria to train militia. So once I conquer Alma I can fly Dynamo in to have a chat with his brother to raise loyalty straight away and if that does not suffice, I switch to my guy in Chitzena and give the chalice to Yanni. That makes two positive influences on loyalty in Alma at once almost instantly after takeover before the enemy even has a chance to try retaking any Alma sectors.
Most of the time, Ira lies in waiting near Alma additionally - she is a training machine at this point in the game. So I will have Ira, my squad mercs and Dynamo, who has some leadership experience from reinforcing Cambria, in Alma together. That makes for a rather prompt fortification to prevent any sector losses which might decrease loyalty. If I'm lucky, some roaming militia from the north will take station in Alma as well, so a proper defense is established even more quickly.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #256956] Tue, 20 July 2010 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it does not depend on WHO is talking to him - let dynamo do his work in cambria and spare skyriders ridiculuos fees

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #256982] Tue, 20 July 2010 18:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember that you got a boost when you free dynamo and talk to matt with anybody but you get another boost if dynamo talks to matt. I might be wrong though.

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Re: low loyalty in Alma...why?[message #257137] Thu, 22 July 2010 14:41 Go to previous message
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That is exactly what I have been experiencing so far.
But one can't be absolutely certain about that, since there seem to be some inconsistencies in the way certain events are triggered by dialogue, anyway. Sometimes NPCs speak the lines which are supposed to trigger an event, but it doesn't happen.
I had that with Shank and the Estoni gas station. Once, I talked to the guy with Shank being in another sector and he acknowledged me having Shank under contract, but the fuel supply for Skyrider was not unlocked. When I let Shank talk to him in person, the same dialogue occured and the supply became available. Another time, even Shank could not unlock it, despite of the according dialogue part being spoken.

By the way: I have never ever got any acknowledgement for killing the Bloodcats east of Alma (not even in the origina game years ago) - bad luck, I guess...

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