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Wed, 19 September 2012 09:18  
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Khor1255Well no, you are talking about a community. I dont believe the world is anywhere near ready to be a true community and as long as people keep pushing toward this at a greater pace than is going to happen naturally there is going to be great conflict.
And it's not as if our backward prizon heavy society is any great example for the world anyway. Before we go casting judgement on other cultures we should at least begin to get our own in order. My experience has been that some of the supposedly 'backward' cultures have at least their family priorities much more under control that we do. Agree, spent some time in Islamic societies and found that a person could walk around day or nite with no fear of mugging, not the case in non Muslim areas. In Saudi you'd never have to worry about your kids being swamped with trash.
As for our world not being a 'true' community, I disagree, IMHO it's rather like living in an apartment building and not being able to pick your neighbors. Like the US and Mexico, don't get me wrong, I love Mexico and it's culture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz4-2C59bjo[/video]
Great stuff.
Explains the singing style.
In fact my ex wife is TexMex, along with my kids, grand kids, and great grand kids.
But Mexico isn't the best neighbor with all the illegal immigration plus the drugs ... althou I mainly blame the drug problem (US and Mexico's) on the US and it's insatiable appetite.
Same goes for Islamic countries, we export our 'sex, drugs, and Rock and Roll' to them whether they want it or not. Sort of like a bit from Cavell's Whirlwind where the hero and his wife are being harassed by Iranian youths until a passing Mullah chases them off, when the hero thanks the Mullah for his help the Mullah replies the boys acted that way because of Western culture corrupting Iran's culture.
This doesn't excuse 911 or the many other acts including killing our Libyan Ambassador.
It's somewhat like the 'When a butterfly flaps its wings in one part of the world it can cause a hurricane in another part of the world.'
So I see the world as one big community, whether we like it or not.
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| Re: Two Views of Life, Enduring, Unyielding[message #310408]
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Wed, 19 September 2012 20:58
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| Khor1255 |
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I get what you are saying but what I mean is that the more we try to force our backward values on cultures with a superior grasp of their own certain situations the more rightful agression we elicit from these places. When we helped the Mujahedden against the Soviets it was a great thing but our lack of follow up (probably due to the fact that they had social customs that tend to embarress a certain type of politician) led to an understandable resentment for us. The way they overreacted was not warrented but neither was us just abandoning them when they performed billions of dollars of proxy war service for us (yes for their own aims but that is beside the point).
Ditto for Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the reasons I was so behind the invasions is that Bush took pains to say that we weren't there to change their cultures just their regimes. We were supposedly going to go over there and just get our job done while meddling in their internal affairs in the least possible way.
What did we do? Treat every civillian as the enemy and spit and burn their culture. Wonder why they could recruit insurgents so easily? We would have done well to learn from people like Ghengis Khan etc who wherever possible kept local cultural practices in place to stabilize said areas. But we have this holier than thou air about every idiotic facet of our backward culture that makes many of our people in power pressured into forcing our values on people who don't want or need them.
So, while you may view the world as a great community I say it is still very much a place that needs fences and clear cut boundries.
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