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gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310334]

Tue, 18 September 2012 16:46

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

breaking news: secret assassin procedure discovered

let's say you need money and think you know who got it. if you follow this procedure step by step the money will be all yours and there won't be any consequences (this example involves tony, hans and flo)

hans as the victim, (i know he's not rich - the reason i choose him is that i'm in san mona right now)
tony as the weeping 'relative'
flo as the merciless assassin

stuff you neeed: a gasmask and a mustard gas grenate

1. flo uses her gasmask and pays hans a visit (tile next to him, of course - best is to corner him behind his counter)
2. blow up the mustard gas granate in flo's inventory
3. buy from tony whatever you want (he doesn't get hostile for that)

it also works when you gas tony (but hans has only porn to sell)

for money gas darren van hausen (he's also dutch) - if you don't do extrem fighting, that is; kingpin won't give a damn

have fun

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310335]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:20

Messages:693
Registered:July 2008

Are you sure of mustard gas? Maybe she farted.

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First Sergeant

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310336]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:27

Messages:1965
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

Maybe you should also tell which unofficial, unstable version of game one needs to have mercs with deadly farts ... Wink

Wink

(in v4870 you cannot blow a grenade in merc's inventory, can you? One would need a version with Flug's according optional feature, i'd assume?)

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310337]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:29

Messages:3199
Registered:December 2008
Location: B

last week's svn - and that is afaik ham5 not some of the ducklings works

... and gambi is a pervert

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310338]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:31

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DepressivesBrot

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Logisteric

and that is afaik ham5 not some of the ducklings works

Nope.

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310339]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:33

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

smeag told me transformations are ham5 - but as i was absent for some time where should i know from :whoknows:

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310340]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:36

Messages:1965
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

By reading headlines ... Wink

Wink

http://www.bears-pit.com/board/ubbthreads.php/topics/305534/Bombs_can_now_be_armed_in_the_.html

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310341]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:36

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DepressivesBrot

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That excuse is restricted to NonCom ranks :nono:

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310342]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:38

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DepressivesBrot

That excuse is restricted to NonCom ranks :nono:

ordering a firing squad is restricted to general officers :devilaugh:

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310343]

Tue, 18 September 2012 17:53

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DepressivesBrot

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And to a tribunal of 3 or more, this is not the Imperial Guard Razz

Razz

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310348]

Tue, 18 September 2012 22:01

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Gorro der Grüne

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logi, one of the 5 top posters (quantity not quality) and his hypris that makes 3 :judge:

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310352]

Tue, 18 September 2012 22:31

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Registered:February 2006
Location: Scotland

Be fair , it's been the first in a little while ... good old Logi !! Smile

Smile

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310353]

Tue, 18 September 2012 22:40

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Gorro der Grüne

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perhaps he is busy feeding his offspring :et4:

while his

http://www.smiliecenter.de/smilies/erotik/erotik_smilies_0022.gif

dominatrix

http://www.smiliecenter.de/smilies/erotik/erotik_smilies_0002.gif

comits a new pregnancy

http://www.mamasworld.de/images/smilies/neu_storch_kind.gif

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310354]

Tue, 18 September 2012 23:00

Messages:3507
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

For your info... I was aware that this possibility would exist with this feature. If the player wants to be a lamer, he may do so, the game is widely open to all kinds of cheating/abuses anyway.

Also, the possibility exists to make this viable to the AI too...

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310355]

Tue, 18 September 2012 23:02

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Gorro der Grüne

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No prop all my mercs wear gasmasks 24/7/365 as soon as they (the gasmasks) are available

Edith: "btw this is FO II style"

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310356]

Tue, 18 September 2012 23:10

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Registered:April 2009
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but they'll still be screwed if the AI decides to use stun grenades - one of them out, one of yours out, but they've got much more Smile

Smile

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310360]

Tue, 18 September 2012 23:17

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Gorro der Grüne

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Flugente

but they've got much more

I doubt that my mercs tend to have around 60 nates in the inventory - EVERYONE!!!

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310361]

Tue, 18 September 2012 23:23

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DepressivesBrot

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more human resources - attrition ftw!

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310371]

Wed, 19 September 2012 00:19

Messages:1965
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

New trait needed:
Suicide Bomber ... Wink

Wink

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310374]

Wed, 19 September 2012 00:23

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Gorro der Grüne

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not a trait - a person succesful in his trait would do it more than once

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310395]

Wed, 19 September 2012 13:52

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

my dear duckling,

i'm not talking about a suicide merc/redshirt - i'm talking about gasing civilians for their money and not annoy their factions - if you throw that gasgrenate at them you'll cause all kind of havoc to your team - if you do it this way their faction considers it a tragic incident.

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310419]

Wed, 19 September 2012 23:19

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Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Yes. I know, that was what the first part of my post was about. The suicide part is where the AI could use that to its benefit.

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310435]

Thu, 20 September 2012 14:32

Messages:1965
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

Come on logi, don't play more possum than you are. Wink

Wink

If Flug made the feature of igniting grenades in inventory available to AI, enemy soldiers could use it - the feature enabling your exploit - to their advantage by the described suicide bombing ... Smile

Smile

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310440]

Thu, 20 September 2012 16:31

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Registered:December 2008
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Sam_Hotte

Come on logi, don't play more possum than you are.

If Flug made the feature of igniting grenades in inventory available to AI, enemy soldiers could use it - the feature enabling your exploit - to their advantage by the described suicide bombing ...

i NEVER said anything about that - i don't understand why this thing is not an attack to the 'san mona arms'-faction

to me the suicide merc/redshirt is no way related to faction members NOT responding to the anihalation of one of their buddies - the ai does not gas civilians, and i'm talking all the way about civilians.

if you use that exploit you are about to make 45.050 $ with getting any problems with kingpin's faction - you just need to gas darren (15.000 $), damon (50 $) and kingpin (20.000 $) - if you don't need damons change you can do that with just one mustard gas grenade - oops.

45k early in the game without some rather heavily armed guys on your heals and the whole of san mona to roam - i call that a cheat not a possum. all i want is make this kind of a sneak attack on a rich guy an attack at all.

@ ente

is there a way of making a killed (for whatever reason) npc an attack by the player (or whatever defines a faction to go to war)? - it is in standard 1.13. you see that when you get the militia to shoot eldin. (1. blow a hole in the museum's wall - 2. eldin gets mad - 3. the militia shoots him - 4. >YOUR loya in balime goes rockbottom)

... and by all means i kinda love that sneak attack but it should have consequences (i had tony watch flo gassing hans and no reaction)

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Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310441]

Thu, 20 September 2012 16:47

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DepressivesBrot

Messages:3651
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It's a regrettable accident due to circumstances not in anyone's control if a grenade goes off in the merc's inventory, not an attack.

Also, cheating? Really? There's this thing called ini, you probably never heard of it.

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310443]

Thu, 20 September 2012 16:55

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

at least to me it's a differnce whether you use an exploit or tais up the ini

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310444]

Thu, 20 September 2012 16:56

Messages:1965
Registered:March 2009
Location: Middle of Germany

Logisteric

if you use that exploit you are about to make 45.050 $ [..] you just need to gas darren (15.000 $), damon (50 $) and kingpin (20.000 $)

Interesting maths ... Razz

Razz

SCNR

BTW: AFAIR Flug's new features are fully optional, meaning that you can deactivate the basic feature allowing for the exploit in the ini if you don not like the exploitable feature.

[Updated on: Thu, 20 September 2012 16:59] by Moderator

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310445]

Thu, 20 September 2012 17:00

Messages:3199
Registered:December 2008
Location: B

typo - It's of course 35.050 $ - and damnit i like that feature (it just doesn't make sense, if you throw that grenate on the tile next to his it's an attack)

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310446]

Thu, 20 September 2012 17:04

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DepressivesBrot

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There's also the really easy (YMMV) option of simply NOT killing every living being in Arulco.

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310447]

Thu, 20 September 2012 17:08

Messages:3199
Registered:December 2008
Location: B

i never killed everyone

i admit i thought of a playthrew in which personal rules made it necessary to shoot everyone with a name who did not join immediately

BUT I NEVER DID THAT

... and kingpin is supossed to be killed, isn't he?

and if it's not doable codewise just say it and i'll shut up instantly - if it did make any sense a sneak attack should make a faction even more to go nuts than a 'manly' attack face to face.

edith:

it would be especially nice if a merc with the duck's new trait would be able to do it as it is now (if not seen by anyone else) - as of now even biff is james bond. with that trait as expert (s)he might even be able to sneak and gas enemy-npcs under certain circumstances.

[Updated on: Thu, 20 September 2012 17:39] by Moderator

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310458]

Thu, 20 September 2012 21:03

Messages:3507
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

aaah. Sot he faction thingy is your problem. That can be done. Fix will be comitted later today.

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Captain

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310460]

Thu, 20 September 2012 21:26

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Registered:December 2008
Location: B

it was never anything else - thanks a lot my dear duckling

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Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310461]

Thu, 20 September 2012 22:46

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Gorro der Grüne

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Flugente

aaah. Sot he faction thingy is your problem. That can be done. Fix will be comitted later today.

Will THAT silly fix be deactivateable in the ini?

*barbaryduck'n'cover*

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310462]

Thu, 20 September 2012 22:50

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Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

I have no idea what your general problem is, but no.

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Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310465]

Thu, 20 September 2012 23:12

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Gorro der Grüne

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Location: Broadwurschd-City

I like the exploit and don't want to see it disabled

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Sergeant Major

Re: gas whomever you (don't) like and get away with it[message #310466]

Thu, 20 September 2012 23:16

Messages:3507
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

Then learn to code, and build your own exes from now on.

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