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Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait[message #339694 is a reply to message #339683]

Fri, 27 February 2015 10:17

silversurfer

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I think the trait makes sense as it is. It's about hunters or rangers, people that spend a lot of time in the wild. Among other things they are hunting with rifles or shotguns, hence the weapon proficiency. Because they spend so much time in the wild they learn to live there better than others, hence the survival abilities.

We don't really need another sole rifle proficiency. We already have the marksman/sniper for that.

A shotgun proficiency would make even less sense if shotguns suck so bad as you say. Who would pick that proficiency?

Funny thing is that my team has a hunter with a shotgun. She has more kills than my AR guys. big grin

She is using a SPAS-12 (range 20 with buckshot and full choke) at the moment. Before it was a Neostead (range 18 with buckshot and duckbill). We can also add an extender to any shotgun which increases range by 10. That brings maximum range to 25-26 for most shotguns which is clearly enough. Flechette ammo is devastating and has good armor penetration. It's only available later in the game but it's also needed only in the later game because of better armor. At the moment (progress 42) buckshot is just fine.
Also the suppression effect is very nice. I can slow down a group of enemies to a crawl with just two shots and also injure them in the process. Shotguns are nice for mercs with bad marksmanship too. Even Gasket can hit something with his shotgun.

I agree that firing AP cost for shotguns is much too high but this can easily be fixed by XML editing. I can do that later on. I would lower it to AR level. At the moment it's even higher than SR level which is insane. A shotgun is a gun that can be fired as fast as any rifle.

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		Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Thu, 26 February 2015 23:14
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 10:17
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Fri, 27 February 2015 13:23
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 16:14
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Deleted. on Fri, 27 February 2015 16:32
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 18:40
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Fri, 27 February 2015 22:32
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 23:25
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:04
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Cardinal on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:17
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: edmortimer on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:28
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:43
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Cardinal on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:58
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 01:35
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Sat, 28 February 2015 12:20
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Cardinal on Sat, 28 February 2015 14:36
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 16:12
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Sat, 28 February 2015 19:10
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: CVB on Mon, 28 March 2016 18:54
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Mon, 28 March 2016 19:26
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Julix on Fri, 03 June 2016 01:12
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: baraba on Thu, 03 September 2020 21:57
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Colt 45 Peacemaker on Mon, 06 February 2023 14:58
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Warp_2568 on Sun, 12 February 2023 06:31

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