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Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #344954]

Sat, 09 April 2016 08:03

Gunner-poi

Messages:3
Registered:April 2016

So I've recently gotten back into Jagged Alliance, and I've been replaying the original and JA2 alongside eachother. One thing that's consistantly bugging me about JA2 with 1.13 though is... Well the elements of the game are so small.

Is there currently a way to scale up the game elements right now? Or is this something I need to actively request? I tend to need to tab out quickly and easily so I play in windowed mode, and while I can make the window larger it just shows more. I'd like to scale up the game so I can see better since my vision is a bit impaired and I kinda worry whenever I stress my remaining eye to pick out details.

Is this something I can work around or does someone need to add this? And is it even possible?

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Civilian

Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #344956 is a reply to message #344954]

Sat, 09 April 2016 11:05

Hawkeye

Messages:2476
Registered:October 2005
Location: Australia

Not really, unfortunately the increase in resolutions make the game characters in particular smaller, at the end of the day JA's graphic still have the same amount of pixels in them like they did back in the 90's. This is the main reason I still play in relatively low resolutions, so it doesn't feel like I'm playing an ant farm simulator rather than JA.

One possibility is purchasing a larger monitor, but it's a bit like chasing your tail sometimes, and a pricey one at that.

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Lieutenant

Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #344964 is a reply to message #344956]

Sat, 09 April 2016 20:59

Faalagorn

Messages:152
Registered:February 2012
Location: Poland

There are various programs that can zoom the active area under your mouse too, including Microsoft Windows tools which you could use while playing the game in windowed mode, but that might be a stretch.

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Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345058 is a reply to message #344954]

Wed, 13 April 2016 21:57

Gunner-poi

Messages:3
Registered:April 2016

Yeah, I had tried using windows magnifier. That was... Thoroughly unpleasant to say the least. I'm thinking because of this and other windows 8 issues I might be better off just running it through a windows xp virtualbox and trying to scale that instead.

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Civilian

Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345059 is a reply to message #345058]

Wed, 13 April 2016 23:52

silversurfer

Messages:2787
Registered:May 2009

What monitor size are you using? I'm playing on a 26" monitor (1920x1200 native resolution) and when I switch the game to 1024x768 the UI elements are rather large. You shouldn't go below that because you will run into problems with the New Inventory System.
Also certain game resolutions might not work so well with your monitor. Try out different resolutions until you find the one that works best for you.

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Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345065 is a reply to message #345059]

Thu, 14 April 2016 09:29

Gunner-poi

Messages:3
Registered:April 2016

It's about a 17 inch screen. I'm on a laptop pretty much like I have been forever. I wouldn't mind playing at 1024x786 at all if it didn't feel so small on my screen, which is why I kinda wish I could scale it up from that resolution freeformish like I can with dosbox games in their resolutions.

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Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345397 is a reply to message #345065]

Tue, 10 May 2016 09:53

Zarax

Messages:55
Registered:February 2007
Location: Italy

One relatively good compromise would be to have some form of anti-aliasing in game.
What I do is to use 800x600 or 1024x768 full screen and force my GPU to apply very heavy anti-aliasing to the game, it makes it look crispy enough on big screens but I'm pretty sure a native solution would work better.

Devs, what do you think?

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Corporal

Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345400 is a reply to message #345397]

Tue, 10 May 2016 19:17

Slax

Messages:1403
Registered:July 2006
Location: People riding polar bears...

Here you go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_scaling
Get someone write a better renderer and all of this can be done via shaders.

Most modern source ports do stuff like this.

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Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345403 is a reply to message #345400]

Tue, 10 May 2016 22:12

Flugente

Messages:3499
Registered:April 2009
Location: Germany

If I recall, some russians posted code/an exe/whatever that used something like that to improve the game's graphics. I assume this has been forgotten since (can't find the thread though. Did I mention how hard it is to find anything in here? I should do that more often).

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Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345407 is a reply to message #345403]

Tue, 10 May 2016 22:29

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Messages:2634
Registered:December 2012
Location: Russian Federation

Flugente wrote on Wed, 11 May 2016 00:12

If I recall, some russians posted code/an exe/whatever that used something like that to improve the game's graphics. I assume this has been forgotten since (can't find the thread though. Did I mention how hard it is to find anything in here? I should do that more often).

http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=22195&goto=336288&#msg_336288

http://forum.ja2.su/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=othermods;action=display;num=1411924690

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Lieutenant

Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345414 is a reply to message #345407]

Wed, 11 May 2016 09:20

Zarax

Messages:55
Registered:February 2007
Location: Italy

I suspect it will be easier to just post the AMD/NVIDIA profiles, may not be perfect but it's better than nothing.

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Corporal

Re: Scaling? Up-sizing? (Not sure what to call)[message #345564 is a reply to message #345403]

Tue, 17 May 2016 19:21

wanne (aka RoWa21)

Messages:1949
Registered:October 2005
Location: Austria

Flugente wrote on Tue, 10 May 2016 19:12

If I recall, some russians posted code/an exe/whatever that used something like that to improve the game's graphics. I assume this has been forgotten since (can't find the thread though. Did I mention how hard it is to find anything in here? I should do that more often).

That tool is already in the SVN GameDir. It is located in the "Tools\ExShell" folder.
There is also a ReadMe file (read_me.txt) on how to install and run it. I just tested it long time ago and it worked.

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