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Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95676]

Sat, 17 January 2004 02:39

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Hello everybody. I just uploaded a selfmade list of all firearms in UC. I hope that this little piece will help some of you with the choice of your "tools".

Here's the link:

-UPDATE!- These are the most actual versions:
Urban Chaos Firearms - list v1.1
Urban Chaos Armor - list v1.2
Urban Chaos Item Combinations - list v1.0

The list is optimized for the resolution 1024x768.
If you notice some mistakes (which is likely in the first version), just let me know. Post here or send an email to chris.hans@haefft.de .

Enjoy it!

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95677]

Sat, 17 January 2004 03:34

jEbUs is currently offline

Messages:36
Registered:November 2003
Location: Brugge, Belgium

Hmmm... You seem to have forgotten the AK-105...

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95678]

Sat, 17 January 2004 04:03

jan175 is currently offline

Messages:111
Registered:October 2001
Location: S'pore (formerly Hobart, ...

good effort. Smile

Smile

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95679]

Sat, 17 January 2004 04:56

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Quote:

Originally posted by jEbUs:
Hmmm... You seem to have forgotten the AK-105...

In the game, it's described as a carbine, so I took it over from there. So the AK-105 can be found among the carbines.

What I left out (on purpose) were the Rocket/Grenadelaunchers and Grenades etc. because I haven't looked through the system of damage, explosion damage and how it spreads over the area yet.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95680]

Sat, 17 January 2004 05:39

Uninen is currently offline

Messages:21
Registered:January 2004
Location: Festung Europa, Finnland

Ltd_Hans,

Thanks..

You actually did this!

:cheers:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95681]

Sat, 17 January 2004 07:22

jEbUs is currently offline

Messages:36
Registered:November 2003
Location: Brugge, Belgium

Woops... Sorry man, must've missed it.

Great list, btw! Thx for the effort... :ok:
At least now I know there's an Artic Warfare Magnum somewhere that I've managed to miss...

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95682]

Sun, 18 January 2004 07:48

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

I've loaded up a second list now, which is about UC's armor:

-UPDATE!-
Urban Chaos Armor - list v1.2

The third list will be the combinable items thing. I'll have to find out some more combinations before the first version can be released. Smile

Smile

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95683]

Sun, 18 January 2004 08:18

Eisenhower is currently offline

Messages:99
Registered:January 2002
Location: Aruba

well well well..

good job! :ok:

only you forgot that the (C) is 2004 Wink

Wink

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95684]

Sun, 18 January 2004 12:27

Messages:54
Registered:February 2003
Location: Uppsala/Sweden

The AN-94 Ankaban have 1 in burst penalty and so have the SAW.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95685]

Sun, 18 January 2004 14:30

bollinator is currently offline

Messages:2
Registered:January 2004

I'm pretty sure that the CZ 700M1 sniper rifle can use a silencer. The one I stole off a bad guy from a roof has one on it.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95686]

Sun, 18 January 2004 17:41

jan175 is currently offline

Messages:111
Registered:October 2001
Location: S'pore (formerly Hobart, ...

actually after taking a better look at the list, I realised it's more than a good effort, it's excellent. Cheers, Ltd-Hans! :cheers:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95687]

Mon, 19 January 2004 01:09

Aecho is currently offline

Messages:261
Registered:August 2003
Location: The Netherlands, Europe

@bollinator

No it's not possible to use a silencer on the CZ700M1. But i also found one that was silenced and had 66 ammo in the clip where 10 should be normal. Enjoy those tiny bugs, they are to your advantage Wink

Wink

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95688]

Mon, 19 January 2004 02:33

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Quote:

Originally posted by Eisenhower:

only you forgot that the (C) is 2004

I'm still living in the last year, I think :rolleyes:

@Gideon: Thank you for your report, but I'm using the information I can extract with the WEdit-Tool. I have found at least one inconcistency between the extracted stats and the ingame shown stats too, but it is more likely that some of the modders forgot to change a little bit in the weapon description than the extracted info is wrong.
Of course, I can't be sure at this point, but unless I have more information, I'm trusting the program.
Perhaps if someone of the Mod Squad could comment on this? :wave:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95689]

Mon, 19 January 2004 06:38

Gallagher is currently offline

Messages:85
Registered:October 2002
Location: CANADA

Nice tables! Could you possibly use an asterisk to denote any special features of the armour (i.e. pockets?

I had not really been paying much attention to the differences between the non-helmet style headgear. I had always preferred the Nomex wool caps because they looked like something the special forces would use... good instincts on my part, I guess. Wink

Wink

Any info on why they made the Ghillie Suits the way they did? I assume they could not get them to function the way they wanted, but still wanted to use them in the campaign AND wanted the players to use them as well. It's hard on my wee little RPG playing brain though!! :biglaugh: I can't blame them, though.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95690]

Mon, 19 January 2004 09:52

Ugluk is currently offline

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Registered:January 2004

EOD vest strength 1 !!
Is that right ?
I really appreciate the list though.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95691]

Tue, 20 January 2004 07:30

cpd315 is currently offline

Messages:47
Registered:May 2002
Location: Spring, TX

Thanks for the list.

I'm still on the hunt for some of those weapons!

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95692]

Tue, 20 January 2004 10:06

markpoll is currently offline

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Registered:November 2002
Location: sydney

Superb, but some info on ammo types would be great, esp what if any weapons use XAP ammo. The Vintorez would, but any others?

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95693]

Wed, 21 January 2004 02:38

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob Denard:
EOD vest strength 1 !!
Is that right ? [...]

No, it isn't. Smile

Smile

I had another look over it, corrected some mistakes and added an information about possible attachments like it was wished.
I actually had to change some values I extracted with WEdit (among two or three others also the EOD vest). They weren't right, although I don't know why.
Well, they should be now. Enjoy the

Urban Chaos Armor - list v1.2

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95694]

Thu, 22 January 2004 07:07

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

:wave:
The first version of the combinable items list is done now. Hope you'll enjoy it:

Urban Chaos Item Combinations - list v1.0

@drop bear:
Sorry, but I haven't found any XAP-Ammo ingame yet. What is this, actually? :confused:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95695]

Thu, 22 January 2004 07:14

Dr.Quack is currently offline

Messages:124
Registered:November 2001
Location: old Europe

it's 'Clip Kind', column AW

and - just seen it - you may wanna correct the duckbill description. It doesn't really increase the damage, rather as the buckshot spreads out over two fields it makes hitting easier, especially when shooting out of range (but the low-tech era doesn't really exit in UC so I guess it doesn't matter)

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95696]

Thu, 22 January 2004 09:38

Juju is currently offline

Messages:19
Registered:July 2001
Location: Netherlands

Great work! Thanks Ltd_Hans!

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95697]

Thu, 22 January 2004 12:56

markpoll is currently offline

Messages:101
Registered:November 2002
Location: sydney

Quote:

Originally posted by Ltd_Hans:

@drop bear:
Sorry, but I haven't found any XAP-Ammo ingame yet. What is this, actually? :confused: [/QB]

One of the first things I do when selecting weapons is to work out which ones use XAP ammo. Certain weapons in JA2 & UB use it, eg G11, CAWS slugs and Val Silent. I suspect the Vintorez in UC to use it.

Ammo includes HP, normal, AP & XAP. XAP is like AP but more so. I forget the precise maths, but someone posted it once and a search should reveal it. The effect is that armour is less effective against it, making the damage it does much higher than the damage stat suggests, when fired on heavily armoured opponents.

You know the late game problem of bullets bouncing off heavily armoured elites? Not with XAP they don't. For that reason, I give everyone in my A team I can a G11 and the others a CAWS. With an extender for the CAWs, they have all the range you need at night or indoors (if you fight outdoors in daylight, you'd be better off with an FN FAL, M16 or LMG). A G11 burst will drop anyone and (with R & S) a G11 can fire 3 a turn. A single shot from a CAWS usually does the same and its ammo is less restricted. The main problems are very limited ammo for the G11 and extenders falling off the CAWS.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95698]

Thu, 22 January 2004 18:10

ramfall is currently offline

Messages:405
Registered:January 2001
Location: JAmodsquad, Helsingborg, ...

Quote:

Originally posted by Ltd_Hans:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob Denard:
EOD vest strength 1 !!
Is that right ? [...]
No, it isn't.
I had another look over it, corrected some mistakes and added an information about possible attachments like it was wished.
I actually had to change some values I extracted with WEdit (among two or three others also the EOD vest). They weren't right, although I don't know why.
Well, they should be now. Enjoy the

Urban Chaos Armor - list v1.1

Actually that's a storage issue. Take a look in Warren Forresters excellent 'Readme' for the Wedit and you'll get the full explaination why it is stored like this.

So, if you want the correct armour points you have to look at the ingame stats - not the wedit stats, or else you won't get the correct numbers.
:ramfall:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95699]

Fri, 23 January 2004 02:23

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

I've updated all lists now. Thank you for the information about XAP-Ammunition and the armor value-storage issue. Now the weapons which are able to fire XAP-ammo are marked with a "*" and some info about ammunition types is added, including a few formulas I took over from the WEdit-ReadMe. I actually read it before using the editor, but obviously I missed some lines with the armor strength-problem. Wink

Wink

The Duckbill description was improved, too.

The Armor Strength is now shown in two values:
The first one indicates the shown armor percentage when I was going trough every armor in game, like Ramfall advised.
But with the help of the extracted values from WEdit I was able to find some kind of constants I could use for calculating the "real" Armor Strength - the numbers I expected to come out of the editor Smile

Smile

Whatever, enjoy it:

Urban Chaos Firearms - list v1.1
Urban Chaos Armor - list v1.2
Urban Chaos Item Combinations - list v1.0

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95700]

Fri, 23 January 2004 07:02

wudu is currently offline

Messages:56
Registered:September 2002

Thanks!
These lists will come in handy!
Much appreciated. :ok:

:type:

Edit:
P.S. Just a suggestion: you could add those URL's to your signature, like Dvornik has done with his "Various Bugfixes"-page. People would find them more easily.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95701]

Fri, 23 January 2004 08:36

cpd315 is currently offline

Messages:47
Registered:May 2002
Location: Spring, TX

or edit the first post to include all the new links Very Happy

Very Happy

Thanks for the hard work!

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95702]

Fri, 23 January 2004 22:17

Blast is currently offline

Messages:32
Registered:October 2000
Location: Brussels,Belgium

Quote:

Originally posted by Ltd_Hans:
Urban Chaos Item Combinations - list v1 (updated)

Very nice job ! :ok:
A little remark (obvious but since you are aiming at perfection Very Happy

Very Happy

) : In the common weapon upgrades, the pipod increases the accuracy only in prone position Wink

Wink

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95703]

Sat, 24 January 2004 02:02

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Quote:

Originally posted by Blast:
[...]A little remark (obvious but since you are aiming at perfection ) : In the common weapon upgrades, the pipod increases the accuracy only in prone position

You got it, I do what I can Wink

Wink

The links in the first post are updated, as well as the description of the bipod is. Thank you all for your feedback. :wave:

@wudu: Nice suggestion, I followed it Smile

Smile

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95704]

Tue, 27 January 2004 06:11

Apollo is currently offline

Messages:57
Registered:November 2003
Location: England

This is great! Now I know which guns to add r/s to. Thanks!!!

Apollo

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95705]

Tue, 27 January 2004 07:54

jan175 is currently offline

Messages:111
Registered:October 2001
Location: S'pore (formerly Hobart, ...

Anyone figured the use for a medic helmet? It's the same as a spectra helmet..well, almost,
...seems to be harder to repair, looking at the item list. I thought at first it could be used to store stuff..

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95706]

Wed, 28 January 2004 01:32

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

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Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Quote:

Originally posted by blade:
Anyone figured the use for a medic helmet? It's the same as a spectra helmet..well, almost,
...seems to be harder to repair, looking at the item list. I thought at first it could be used to store stuff..

I think the only thing you can store in it is your head. Very Happy

Very Happy

I've searched in this matter, but couldn't find any post or thread which could explain what it is good for. :whoknows:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95707]

Thu, 29 January 2004 03:20

DV is currently offline

DV

Messages:3
Registered:January 2004

HEY! I found more weapons in the data directory.
for ex. HK G36, G36K and many others. Are they also in the game????? :confused:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95708]

Thu, 29 January 2004 05:26

ramfall is currently offline

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Registered:January 2001
Location: JAmodsquad, Helsingborg, ...

No, they aren't - I added them to make it easy for players to get a bit more out of the game, replayability.
:ramfall:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95709]

Thu, 29 January 2004 17:29

Demize99 is currently offline

Messages:4
Registered:January 2004
Location: Texas Wasteland

I can't access any of the lists, I don't even get ping responses from the webserver. Can someone mirror his work?

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95710]

Thu, 29 January 2004 19:44

Gallagher is currently offline

Messages:85
Registered:October 2002
Location: CANADA

Sometimes they are down if he is updating. Try the link under his latest signature. The links at the top of the thread don't work for me either, but that is because they are no longer current.
Welcome to the forum, Demize. Smile

Smile

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95711]

Thu, 29 January 2004 23:44

Folkewulf is currently offline

Messages:56
Registered:August 2003

Great charts Ltd_Hans!!! Smile

Smile

Just one nit to pick since noone else has mentioned it. The duckbill description. Spose you could mount it in any orientation (line of buckshot from crotch to neck! OUCH!) but it's usually mounted horizontal. The game spreads the shot horizontal.

EXCELLENT WORK :ok:

THANK YOU :cheers:

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95712]

Fri, 30 January 2004 00:18

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Quote:

Originally posted by Demize99:
I can't access any of the lists, I don't even get ping responses from the webserver. Can someone mirror his work?

I have sent you an email. I'm currently packing the three charts to send them to strategyplanet.com. Perhaps they agree to mirror my files. As a .zip, all three together only need 17kb.

btw, I haven't got any problems with any link here in the thread, because I updated all the links I could. Perhaps it's due to the distance of my german server to your PCs.

Whatever, everyone is welcome to mirror my files (as long as they aren't changed somehow), if you want to provide more download alternatives for people who can't reach my servers' files.

Oh, and thanks for your appreciation. Smile

Smile

edit: @folkewulf: I changed the description. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95713]

Fri, 30 January 2004 02:35

Demize99 is currently offline

Messages:4
Registered:January 2004
Location: Texas Wasteland

If you would like to zip up and e-mail your list to me, I would happy to setup a texas mirror for the lists. That would give us Yanks the ability to appreciate your work!

While I wait... Can someone tell me how I can attach any kind of scope to a G3? Is it possible at all?

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95714]

Fri, 30 January 2004 23:06

Ltd_Hans is currently offline

Messages:27
Registered:December 2003
Location: Germany

Quote:

Originally posted by Demize99:
If you would like to zip up and e-mail your list to me, I would happy to setup a texas mirror for the lists. That would give us Yanks the ability to appreciate your work!

While I wait... Can someone tell me how I can attach any kind of scope to a G3? Is it possible at all?

I've sent you the file. Smile

Smile

No, it isn't possible. You can only attach a Laser, Bipod and Rod&Spring to the H&K G3.

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Re: Urban Chaos Firearms, Armor and Item Combinations lists[message #95715]

Sat, 31 January 2004 01:35

Demize99 is currently offline

Messages:4
Registered:January 2004
Location: Texas Wasteland

Texas, US mirror:
http://stuwww.tcu.edu/~makertz/UC_item_combinations_list_v1.0.htm
http://stuwww.tcu.edu/~makertz/UC_firearms_list_v1.1.htm
http://stuwww.tcu.edu/~makertz/UC_armor_list_v1.2.htm

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