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A question of ethics or tactics[message #96456]

Fri, 05 March 2004 03:38

Headshot

Messages:176
Registered:May 2002
Location: Los Angeles ( Hollywood )...

This is just a general question for all who play UC.

When you are in a subway do you use the buildings or trains roof area for sniping and or movement advantage?

I personally do not use the outer perimeter wall structure as I feel that this is supposed to be solid structure. But I do use the roofs of the subway train cars and the inner buildings not connected to the outer walls. I have been in a few subways and most of the inner structures that are not part of the support structure of the underground area do have roofs, tho not accessable like in JA.

How do you play it?

Headshot
If you shoot them in the head, they won't get back up, and armor won't help... much.

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96457]

Fri, 05 March 2004 04:16

jan175

Messages:111
Registered:October 2001
Location: S'pore (formerly Hobart, ...

that's how i play it too. i try to avoid the carriages; too many doors and hidden spaces there, plus the carriage roof is not joined so continous movement along the whole length is not possible without climbing down to the ground again.

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Sergeant

Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96458]

Fri, 05 March 2004 06:41

abradley

Messages:225
Registered:December 2001

I use every advantage I can when fighting in daylight like situations against an enemy that has the uncanny ability to make near impossible pistol shots from far distances.

One advantage I do give is not using Breaklights in night ops.

I read long ago that the key to winning JA2 was not giving the enemy an opportunity to shot.

But that's just me! Wink

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96459]

Fri, 05 March 2004 07:20

rob88

Messages:17
Registered:August 2003
Location: UK

I don't cheat in the subway.
If you need to cheat, why play.

That said, I will occasionaly reload of I die in a stupid way, like opening a door without checking.
Or running blindly round a corner into a hail of bullets.

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96460]

Fri, 05 March 2004 07:27

HexRei

Messages:21
Registered:April 2003
Location: portland, OR

I didn't even realize you could do that until I had cleared the subways completely out. :confused:

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96461]

Fri, 05 March 2004 07:31

Headshot

Messages:176
Registered:May 2002
Location: Los Angeles ( Hollywood )...

Rob88:

You did not answer the question. It was not asked if you cheat, merely if you use the roofs of the train cars or inner buildings during your games.

I would also like to hear how you feel it is cheating to use these things, if you have access to them from directly within the game?

Just a friendly discussion no indignation suggested or implied.

Headshot
If you shoot them in the head, they won't get back up, and armor won't help... much

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96462]

Fri, 05 March 2004 09:17

ShoNuff

Messages:18
Registered:September 2003
Location: Atlanta, GA

I didn't realize (at first) you could climb up either; I think I first did that in Port Kip. I use same "rules" as Headshot noted.

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96463]

Fri, 05 March 2004 15:48

Snake

Messages:47
Registered:February 2000
Location: PA, USA

I never use the roofs. With the contrained quarters in those subway sectors I find I need all my mercs on the ground covering each other more directly. It allows for more interrupts and less 'pinned' mercs.

I also thought this topic was going to address the 'put enemies out of their misery' issue. Critical, unconscious and dying enemies... to kill or not to kill? Ah well.

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96464]

Fri, 05 March 2004 17:48

jan175

Messages:111
Registered:October 2001
Location: S'pore (formerly Hobart, ...

Quote:

Originally posted by Snake:
With the contrained quarters in those subway sectors I find I need all my mercs on the ground covering each other more directly. It allows for more interrupts and less 'pinned' mercs.

very true indeed! And the good thing is that the subways enemies don't seem to throw incendiaries, which makes crowding together not so hazardous.

I usually leave dying enemies alone. As for critical enemies, if they are far enough I concentrate fire on healthier targets, but too near and they are still s possible danger, so i finish them off. Same goes for unconscious targets.

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96465]

Fri, 05 March 2004 18:08

Headshot

Messages:176
Registered:May 2002
Location: Los Angeles ( Hollywood )...

Snake:

I did not really think of the question of killing downed, dying, or critical enemies but since you brought it up...

If they are in any way an active treat I will kill them. If they scurry off badly wounded, I usually leave them to their own fate. But if they turn back up they are dead.

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96466]

Fri, 05 March 2004 23:58

lizard103dm

Messages:29
Registered:February 2004
Location: Mississippi

Snake,

Enemies that are dying or significantly wounded are generally not the most dangerous threat, and thus do not typically merit a round. I think the idea of "ethics" in combat, real or game-simulated, is a very tricky subject; at the basic level this is about accomplishing the mission, and a combat leader's first priority is to minimize potential harm to his or her team within the context of accomplishing the mission. Thus, for me, combat ethics are about first maximizing my team's safety and success and secondarily about minimizing the enemy's pain and suffering. Thoughts?

Regards,

Lizard

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Re: A question of ethics or tactics[message #96467]

Mon, 08 March 2004 05:33

Gallagher

Messages:85
Registered:October 2002
Location: CANADA

Well, I brought up the subway roof issue a while back. I used the tactic in my first campaign to move things along. I am most interested in providing a good evaluation of UC for the mod squad, and finding bugs. So, if I get wounded less by using the outside wall roof sections, then it allows my campaign to move along.

I did recommend, over a month ago, that it should be fixed, but it is a lot of work. The subway is experimental and innovative, so we should forgive the cheeseball tactics that emerge from playing in any new environment.

As for the other ethical stuff, I shoot any enemy not yet dying. The dying ones are fair game to any merc seeking extra EXP, if we are not being bumrushed. So, it's not personal. Razz

I am NOT the one to talk to about in-game ethics - I used to whack my own mercs in JA1 when I ran out medkits!!

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