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Re: prof.dat -> xml[message #182690]

Thu, 24 April 2008 12:37

the scorpion

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birdflu

as opposed to how it looks like, i think you and i (and Khor and if i get it right, Kaiden as well) actually agree to the biggest part.

i have no objections as to what attribute you use to identify a merc in the code.
i think it isn't even important by what value you want to structure the new equivalent of prof.dat either.

the only thing there is is the fact that every single data file in ja2 that refers to characters follows a logical and consistent nomenclatura according to the slot number it refers to.

examples: battlesnds.slf, faces.slf, mercedt.slf npcdata.slf npc_speech.slf speech.slf, the internal mechanics of the .npc scripts refer heavily to these numbers, hardcoded and specialized triggers refer to these numbers.

In short: if you can keep the numbers in the new equivalent of prof.dat, that would help us a lot when working on custom content. You can make the numbers just another attribute so we gain flexibility, that's great too (that's probably the greatest thing to gain in here even), but the profiles section, just as prof.dat used to be, has IMHO to remain a universal reference for any character data file in the game.

most xml files now use indexes of some kind to identify their parent/ child xml related data entry, however, this is, in all honesty, a freakin mess if you don't have a sophisticated editor (which we have now, luckily)
The (external) character data on the other hand, follows an incredibly easy, first-sight identification without even bothering to load/ open the files in question in many cases.
I think we mustn't lose this extremely simple yet incredibly powerful and superiour nomenclatura when changing file structure.

btw

the existing items STILL use a big load of hardcoded references to their ID number. So people better don't be fooled to believe that such a mundane thing as the items is totally freed from slot restrictions. They aren't. And the restrictions we face with characters go far beyond this.

again, i have nothing to say about internal game mechanics. I was only referring to external data ease of accessibility. you look into prof.dat and can then identify every single file related to a character. Now while names would change frequently, numbers could be left in place unless a change is necessary, which makes them relativly stable even if the restriction are done away with (in fact i don't even see a need for changing numbers at all if the flexibility of slots is achieved like Kaiden puts it in his posting)

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		prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Tue, 15 April 2008 13:31
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerius on Tue, 15 April 2008 13:35
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Mauser on Tue, 15 April 2008 14:06
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Tue, 15 April 2008 14:48
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Lt.Havoc on Tue, 15 April 2008 15:15
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Tue, 15 April 2008 15:28
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Lt.Havoc on Tue, 15 April 2008 15:32
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Tue, 15 April 2008 15:38
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Mauser on Tue, 15 April 2008 15:39
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Tue, 15 April 2008 15:47
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Tue, 15 April 2008 16:09
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Tue, 15 April 2008 18:39
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Tue, 15 April 2008 21:27
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Tue, 15 April 2008 21:58
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Lesh 2 on Tue, 15 April 2008 22:11
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: ctiberious on Tue, 15 April 2008 22:41
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Wed, 16 April 2008 01:03
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Wed, 16 April 2008 01:35
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Wed, 16 April 2008 01:38
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Wed, 16 April 2008 02:30
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Wed, 16 April 2008 02:38
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Wed, 16 April 2008 16:19
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Wed, 16 April 2008 22:05
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Thu, 17 April 2008 01:45
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Thu, 17 April 2008 01:54
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Thu, 17 April 2008 02:18
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Thu, 17 April 2008 19:25
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Thu, 17 April 2008 23:26
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Fri, 18 April 2008 02:18
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Fri, 18 April 2008 14:16
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: SpaceViking on Fri, 18 April 2008 16:24
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 19 April 2008 01:53
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Sat, 19 April 2008 02:17
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: SpaceViking on Sat, 19 April 2008 02:56
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 19 April 2008 03:37
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 19 April 2008 03:43
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Sat, 19 April 2008 14:38
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 19 April 2008 22:53
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Sun, 20 April 2008 00:49
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sun, 20 April 2008 01:50
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Sun, 20 April 2008 04:48
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Mon, 21 April 2008 02:07
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerar on Tue, 22 April 2008 16:58
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Tue, 22 April 2008 19:10
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Marlboro Man on Tue, 22 April 2008 20:00
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Tue, 22 April 2008 22:02
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Wed, 23 April 2008 02:59
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Wed, 23 April 2008 15:17
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerar on Wed, 23 April 2008 15:56
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Wed, 23 April 2008 21:11
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Wed, 23 April 2008 21:53
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Wed, 23 April 2008 21:56
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Thu, 24 April 2008 01:57
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Thu, 24 April 2008 05:25
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaiden on Thu, 24 April 2008 06:46
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Realist on Thu, 24 April 2008 10:20
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Thu, 24 April 2008 12:37
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Thu, 24 April 2008 13:10
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Fri, 25 April 2008 03:06
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Fri, 25 April 2008 14:14
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Fri, 25 April 2008 14:22
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Fri, 25 April 2008 15:03
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 26 April 2008 15:34
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Sat, 26 April 2008 17:05
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Sat, 26 April 2008 18:36
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 26 April 2008 22:26
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerar on Sun, 27 April 2008 13:02
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sun, 27 April 2008 16:40
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerar on Sun, 27 April 2008 18:46
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: SpaceViking on Mon, 28 April 2008 15:55
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Mon, 28 April 2008 16:29
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Mon, 28 April 2008 23:01
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: SpaceViking on Mon, 28 April 2008 23:24
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Lokadamus on Tue, 29 April 2008 11:19
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Tue, 29 April 2008 12:01
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Tue, 29 April 2008 14:35
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Mauser on Tue, 29 April 2008 16:37
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: lockie on Tue, 29 April 2008 16:45
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Wed, 30 April 2008 01:57
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Wed, 30 April 2008 02:02
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Thu, 01 May 2008 01:29
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Fri, 02 May 2008 00:54
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Fri, 02 May 2008 01:04
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Fri, 02 May 2008 01:29
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Fri, 02 May 2008 01:37
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Fri, 02 May 2008 02:28
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Fri, 02 May 2008 02:35
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Fri, 02 May 2008 02:47
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Fri, 02 May 2008 02:49
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Fri, 02 May 2008 11:12
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaiden on Fri, 02 May 2008 17:55
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Fri, 02 May 2008 23:05
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Fri, 02 May 2008 23:17
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Fri, 02 May 2008 23:44
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Sat, 03 May 2008 00:05
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Sat, 03 May 2008 00:09
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 03 May 2008 00:56
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Sat, 03 May 2008 01:46
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 03 May 2008 02:24
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Sat, 03 May 2008 08:07
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Mon, 05 May 2008 00:15
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Mon, 05 May 2008 00:20
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Mon, 05 May 2008 00:37
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Marlboro Man on Mon, 05 May 2008 01:00
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Mon, 05 May 2008 01:08
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Seraph on Mon, 05 May 2008 01:09
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Mon, 05 May 2008 01:13
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Mon, 05 May 2008 02:02
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Mon, 05 May 2008 02:48
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Mon, 05 May 2008 11:51
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerar on Mon, 05 May 2008 14:16
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Mon, 05 May 2008 17:09
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerar on Mon, 05 May 2008 17:21
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Mon, 05 May 2008 17:30
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Mon, 05 May 2008 20:08
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Khor1255 on Tue, 06 May 2008 03:41
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Seraph on Tue, 06 May 2008 18:42
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Tue, 06 May 2008 20:45
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Lokadamus on Fri, 09 May 2008 09:34
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: Kaerar on Fri, 09 May 2008 14:46
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: BirdFlu on Sat, 10 May 2008 12:27
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: the scorpion on Sat, 17 May 2008 14:37
		Re: prof.dat -> xml By: usrbid on Thu, 08 December 2011 10:23

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