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Re: Map Editor[message #190394]

Wed, 09 July 2008 21:03

Doolan

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Registered:July 2006

Oh calm down guys...

Straciatella is a mother, beautiful project. There are reasons for the lack of feedback though.

First off, not everyone knows of it. If you take the time to check the VMWare / Crossover / Parallels forums or any Mac gaming forum, you will see that a lot of Mac users want JA2 to run natively on their computers and do all they can with Boot Camp or virtualization to get it working. Still, none of them know about 1.13, let alone Straciatella. Just posting in a community site is not going to help that.

Second off, the Bear's Pit hosts a number of JA2 variants that I find confusing. Only recently I discovered Straciatella, but there's a truckload of other flavors / mods / builds.

Third off, and this is the most serious problem in my opinion, most active posters here seem to know their code backwards and assume everyone else does. For most users, the simple action of compiling Straciatella for OSX or Windows is scary. No mod or build is ever going to be "mainstream" or "popular" unless it gives a single link to a single self-contained installer file in enormous, bright-colored letters.

In other words, what you guys are looking for is a person who knows of the Bear's Pit, is curious enough to use anything that is not 1.13, knows how to compile stuff AND wants to edit maps. That's a very small demographic.

I for one will be more than happy to try the map editor when there's a way simple enough that a monkey could install and launch it in OSX and the URL to that version is fed to me with a spoon. Very Happy

I can't speak for Linux users (who are probably just enjoying the crappy original Linux port of JA) or Windows users (who probably either play vanilla or learned what SVN was just to play 1.13 because they somehow learned about it), but I can tell you that most Mac users won't lift a finger until they are given a .dmg. Also, chance is they won't even have the original files, because the game was never released for Mac in the first place.

That said, I have tried 0.8 in OSX and I am now your number one fan. It's beautiful, sleek, fast and marvelously ported, and it has made one of my longtime dreams come true, playing JA2 in my Mac laptop. Now, if you want attention, build an Intel app with XCode and post it in MacGameFiles and MacUpdate with a description and an easy-to-follow readme. Then, and only then, they'll take the map editor off your hands and annoy the hell out of you with questions Very Happy

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		Map Editor By: Tron on Thu, 12 June 2008 14:07
		Re: Map Editor By: Tron on Wed, 25 June 2008 00:39
		Re: Map Editor By: Khor1255 on Wed, 25 June 2008 00:49
		Re: Map Editor By: Tron on Wed, 25 June 2008 00:59
		Re: Map Editor By: Khor1255 on Wed, 25 June 2008 01:03
		Re: Map Editor By: Tron on Wed, 25 June 2008 01:11
		Re: Map Editor By: Khor1255 on Wed, 25 June 2008 01:22
		Re: Map Editor By: the scorpion on Wed, 25 June 2008 01:27
		Re: Map Editor By: Doolan on Wed, 09 July 2008 21:03
		Re: Map Editor By: Tron on Thu, 10 July 2008 01:39
		Re: Map Editor By: Doolan on Thu, 10 July 2008 03:38
		Re: Map Editor By: lockie on Thu, 10 July 2008 09:48
		Re: Map Editor By: Tron on Thu, 10 July 2008 22:19
		Re: Map Editor By: Doolan on Thu, 10 July 2008 23:03
		Re: Map Editor By: ZeRgY on Fri, 11 July 2008 14:11
		Re: Map Editor By: Tron on Mon, 14 July 2008 00:19
		Re: Map Editor By: LCJr. on Sun, 14 September 2008 22:10
		Re: Map Editor By: mgl on Wed, 15 October 2008 23:35
		Re: Map Editor By: Khor1255 on Thu, 16 October 2008 10:36
		Re: Map Editor By: mgl on Thu, 16 October 2008 23:51
		Re: Map Editor By: Khor1255 on Fri, 17 October 2008 10:46
		Re: Map Editor By: mgl on Sat, 18 October 2008 00:37
		Re: Map Editor By: Tron on Sun, 23 November 2008 15:51
		Re: Map Editor By: Shanga on Thu, 02 July 2009 01:36
		Re: Map Editor By: Shanga on Thu, 02 July 2009 01:57
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		Re: Map Editor By: Khor1255 on Thu, 02 July 2009 02:53
		Re: Map Editor By: Kaerar on Thu, 02 July 2009 03:05
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		Re: Map Editor By: Kaerar on Mon, 06 July 2009 16:45
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		Re: Map Editor By: Kaerar on Mon, 06 July 2009 20:19
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