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Re: Handgrenades[message #279930]

Sat, 14 May 2011 13:29

Buns

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Blue_Fox

But still, i think the throwing range is correct, compare it with buildings.
Not let you fool you by fictive weapon range.

A grenade is a weapon, so it needs to be compared to weapon range. When a grenade can be thrown over 30+ tiles it means it has a range beyond that of most assault rifles. Adding to that the extreme accuarcy with which the AI is throwing grenades it means you end up in a situation where the player is more or less helpless because you neither can throw grenades that far too nor can you shoot the enemy at that range unless you have a scoped long-range rifle.

When playing JA2 this problem usually would not be dramatically because standard maximum vision range is at 26 tiles, often shorter when being prone, using camo, fighting at night etc. When enemies have grenades your team would usually already be armed with good rifles equipped with scopes, may be even with grenade-launchers. An estimated 90% of all enemies you encounter wouldn't be able to shoot at all before you kill them, and the chance that one of the remaining 10% has a grenade and is throwing it from an excessive range rather is limited.

Nevertheless the problem in general remains: Due to the excessive range and exteme accuracy that seems to be common for all AI soldiers handgrenades are extremly unbalanced.

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		Handgrenades By: Buns on Sun, 24 April 2011 14:51
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Mon, 25 April 2011 19:58
		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Mon, 25 April 2011 22:23
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		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Tue, 26 April 2011 19:11
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Wed, 27 April 2011 00:39
		Re: Handgrenades By: Buns on Wed, 27 April 2011 13:18
		Re: Handgrenades By: Friendly Fire on Wed, 27 April 2011 14:38
		Re: Handgrenades By: Buns on Wed, 27 April 2011 17:49
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Wed, 27 April 2011 19:10
		Re: Handgrenades By: Buns on Thu, 28 April 2011 13:30
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Thu, 28 April 2011 18:02
		Re: Handgrenades By: Buns on Fri, 29 April 2011 14:05
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Fri, 29 April 2011 20:58
		Re: Handgrenades By: PasHancock on Fri, 29 April 2011 21:04
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Fri, 29 April 2011 21:36
		Re: Handgrenades By: PasHancock on Sat, 30 April 2011 09:15
		Re: Handgrenades By: Logisteric on Sat, 30 April 2011 09:57
		Re: Handgrenades By: Buns on Sat, 30 April 2011 14:26
		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Sat, 30 April 2011 16:01
		Re: Handgrenades By: Logisteric on Sat, 30 April 2011 16:02
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Mon, 02 May 2011 19:54
		Re: Handgrenades By: Buns on Tue, 03 May 2011 14:49
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Thu, 05 May 2011 01:09
		Re: Handgrenades By: Friendly Fire on Fri, 13 May 2011 06:20
		Re: Handgrenades By: Spinx on Fri, 13 May 2011 09:51
		Re: Handgrenades By: gas on Fri, 13 May 2011 16:16
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Fri, 13 May 2011 18:20
		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Fri, 13 May 2011 19:48
		Re: Handgrenades By: gas on Sat, 14 May 2011 02:04
		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Sat, 14 May 2011 03:39
		Re: Handgrenades By: Spinx on Sat, 14 May 2011 04:29
		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Sat, 14 May 2011 09:07
		Re: Handgrenades By: lockie on Sat, 14 May 2011 11:33
		Re: Handgrenades By: Logisteric on Sat, 14 May 2011 11:35
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		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Sat, 14 May 2011 15:53
		Re: Handgrenades By: tais on Sat, 14 May 2011 16:50
		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Sun, 15 May 2011 14:19
		Re: Handgrenades By: easterngames on Sun, 15 May 2011 15:56
		Re: Handgrenades By: Buns on Sun, 15 May 2011 16:02
		Re: Handgrenades By: gas on Mon, 16 May 2011 06:56
		Re: Handgrenades By: Deane on Mon, 16 May 2011 10:30
		Re: Handgrenades By: lockie on Mon, 16 May 2011 12:09
		Re: Handgrenades By: easterngames on Mon, 16 May 2011 19:47
		Re: Handgrenades By: Blue_Fox on Tue, 17 May 2011 00:20
		Re: Handgrenades By: raycrasher on Tue, 17 May 2011 06:59
		Re: Handgrenades By: ctiberious on Wed, 18 May 2011 19:03
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