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Thu, 08 December 2011 19:53

Inkompetent

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Location: Sweden

Regarding gun handling value vs draw value:

Say you carry a FN Minimi. It could be relatively quick to shoulder, for its size, but holding all that weight up means pretty poor weapon control, and it'd be very hard to counter gun movement (sway, recoil, etc), meaning it'd be pretty penalizing to shoot or shift aiming point (although I'm not 100% convinced handling should be more difficult than drawing in this case either).

At the other end of the scale we have several pistols that can be a bit of a bitch to draw, but that have very soft recoil and excellent handling characteristics in comparison, meaning it could very well be twice the AP-penalty to raise/draw the weapon as to keep it on target.

All in all as Headrock and others have stated there's no point in letting operator skill affect the gun handling value. No operator in the world can make a poorly designed gun become well-designed. He can only use it to the best of his ability, which is already factored in when shooting, since traits that lower AP-cost to fire one way or another, automatically means you also reduce the handling penalty for a poor gun.

Edit: I am a pretty firm believer however of that vertical front grips and collapsible stocks should better the handling value. It might not be the least more speedy to draw, but it's definitely more tailored to get closer to the body, and in a more comfortable shooting position. Drum magazines, all added weight like sights, bipods, suppressors, and grenade launchers, should worsen the handling characteristic.

Although then again I dunno if it's worth changing the "AP to fire" and "AP to ready" penalties already given to weapons by for example bipods, to another stat.

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		HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Sat, 26 November 2011 03:43
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Headrock on Mon, 28 November 2011 00:38
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Fri, 16 December 2011 17:21
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: ChonkE on Sat, 17 December 2011 09:06
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Sat, 17 December 2011 23:28
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Slax on Sun, 18 December 2011 01:16
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Sun, 18 December 2011 03:54
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Tango on Sun, 18 December 2011 13:20
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Soren on Mon, 19 December 2011 22:56
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Soren on Tue, 20 December 2011 00:02
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: ChonkE on Thu, 22 December 2011 12:01
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Alex_SPB on Sun, 25 December 2011 12:43
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: knightofni on Sun, 25 December 2011 13:14
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Alex_SPB on Sun, 25 December 2011 14:01
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Alex_SPB on Sun, 25 December 2011 15:22
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Alex_SPB on Sun, 25 December 2011 15:34
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Soren on Sun, 25 December 2011 21:52
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Sun, 25 December 2011 22:36
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Mon, 26 December 2011 00:30
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: CptMoore on Mon, 26 December 2011 02:09
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Mon, 26 December 2011 02:42
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Mon, 26 December 2011 17:12
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Mon, 26 December 2011 19:08
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Soren on Tue, 27 December 2011 02:29
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: JMich on Tue, 27 December 2011 11:17
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Tue, 27 December 2011 15:22
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Tue, 27 December 2011 16:46
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Tue, 27 December 2011 19:22
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Tue, 27 December 2011 19:40
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Tue, 27 December 2011 20:49
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Tue, 27 December 2011 21:16
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Tue, 27 December 2011 23:51
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: JMich on Wed, 28 December 2011 00:01
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Wed, 28 December 2011 00:09
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Wed, 28 December 2011 00:37
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Wed, 28 December 2011 00:52
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Action on Sat, 31 December 2011 21:28
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Captain Colon on Sun, 01 January 2012 09:14
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 01 January 2012 11:47
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Captain Colon on Sun, 01 January 2012 17:03
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Sun, 01 January 2012 19:44
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Captain Colon on Mon, 02 January 2012 00:53
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Mon, 02 January 2012 02:01
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Captain Colon on Tue, 03 January 2012 04:11
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: medicinman on Wed, 04 January 2012 20:32
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Maalstroom on Thu, 05 January 2012 22:21
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headrock on Fri, 06 January 2012 05:27
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Captain Colon on Fri, 06 January 2012 23:23
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: LordHelmchen on Thu, 12 January 2012 00:46
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: SacredVow on Sat, 14 January 2012 10:18
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: reVurt on Mon, 16 January 2012 17:44
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: tag8833 on Wed, 18 January 2012 16:07
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: TClaymore on Wed, 18 January 2012 19:02
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: tag8833 on Thu, 19 January 2012 17:34
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Thu, 19 January 2012 17:58
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Gambigobilla on Thu, 19 January 2012 19:53
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Thu, 19 January 2012 20:26
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: tag8833 on Thu, 19 January 2012 21:29
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Thu, 19 January 2012 21:36
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: tag8833 on Thu, 19 January 2012 23:30
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Thu, 19 January 2012 23:31
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Evo on Fri, 20 January 2012 06:18
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Sowilo on Fri, 20 January 2012 16:56
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Fri, 20 January 2012 16:59
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: tag8833 on Fri, 20 January 2012 18:17
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Evo on Fri, 20 January 2012 18:40
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Friendly Fire on Sat, 21 January 2012 17:46
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: reVurt on Sat, 21 January 2012 17:48
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Sowilo on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:22
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:37
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Sowilo on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:40
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:46
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Sowilo on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:48
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Sowilo on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:49
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:51
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Sowilo on Sat, 21 January 2012 22:59
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sat, 21 January 2012 23:00
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Evo on Sun, 22 January 2012 01:47
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Sowilo on Sun, 22 January 2012 12:23
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Friendly Fire on Sun, 22 January 2012 15:36
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Dyson on Thu, 02 February 2012 03:00
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: buuface on Sun, 12 February 2012 11:19
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 12 February 2012 11:56
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: buuface on Sun, 12 February 2012 12:13
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 12 February 2012 12:15
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: buuface on Sun, 12 February 2012 12:15
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 12 February 2012 12:17
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Dyson on Tue, 14 February 2012 08:53
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Dyson on Thu, 16 February 2012 18:28
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: derek on Thu, 23 February 2012 12:38
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: illuminatus on Sat, 25 February 2012 00:43
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: wanne (aka RoWa21) on Sat, 25 February 2012 02:04
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Redwolf on Tue, 28 February 2012 21:11
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Gambigobilla on Tue, 28 February 2012 21:22
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Redwolf on Tue, 28 February 2012 22:09
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Redwolf on Wed, 29 February 2012 00:26
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Foxd1e on Wed, 29 February 2012 14:07
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it, bitches!! By: Ryft on Thu, 01 March 2012 05:17
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: buuface on Thu, 01 March 2012 08:43
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Redwolf on Sun, 11 March 2012 21:17
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Mauser on Sat, 07 April 2012 03:29
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Sat, 07 April 2012 08:29
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: JMich on Sat, 07 April 2012 11:34
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sat, 07 April 2012 14:19
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Sat, 07 April 2012 19:16
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Sat, 07 April 2012 23:37
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: wanne (aka RoWa21) on Sat, 07 April 2012 23:40
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Sat, 07 April 2012 23:46
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sat, 07 April 2012 23:47
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Sat, 07 April 2012 23:59
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 08 April 2012 00:04
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Faithless on Mon, 09 April 2012 01:15
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Mon, 09 April 2012 02:56
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Tue, 10 April 2012 01:30
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Gambigobilla on Tue, 10 April 2012 02:07
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Tue, 10 April 2012 05:54
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Wed, 11 April 2012 04:23
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Wil473 on Wed, 11 April 2012 09:07
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: PeTeTe809 on Sun, 15 April 2012 00:50
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Biernath_J on Sun, 15 April 2012 10:54
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Sun, 15 April 2012 22:40
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: A.Sheaffer on Wed, 18 April 2012 03:15
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: cnagorneac on Wed, 18 April 2012 12:47
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: dinglehopper on Wed, 18 April 2012 14:11
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Wed, 18 April 2012 14:20
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: cnagorneac on Wed, 18 April 2012 20:04
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Sam Hotte on Wed, 18 April 2012 20:42
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: A.Sheaffer on Wed, 18 April 2012 20:52
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Sam Hotte on Wed, 18 April 2012 21:30
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: cnagorneac on Wed, 18 April 2012 22:50
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Soto Banaris on Wed, 09 May 2012 13:20
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Madd_Mugsy on Wed, 09 May 2012 19:52
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: goc_man on Mon, 23 July 2012 16:45
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: wanne (aka RoWa21) on Mon, 23 July 2012 17:50
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Headhunter on Mon, 23 July 2012 17:53
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: DepressivesBrot on Mon, 23 July 2012 17:55
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: goc_man on Tue, 24 July 2012 06:38
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: palcontent on Thu, 20 December 2012 21:08
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Deane on Sun, 24 February 2013 20:09
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		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Deane on Tue, 26 February 2013 11:50
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: Faithless on Sun, 10 March 2013 19:04
		Re: HAM 5 Alpha - You know it!! By: grim on Mon, 11 March 2013 22:58
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