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Mon, 19 March 2012 19:39

Ryft

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I discovered three other machine guns that also don't allow optics. You're right... changing NCTH might be a better fix, but in the end that's beyond my reach because I fear it might require a code change, rather than a simple adjustment of the values it uses.

A given point might be to examine the principle that scopes use in NCTH. Basically, they do pretty much exactly what they do in real life... double, quadruple, etc. a target image, with a corresponding relationship to your aiming circle. So if you simply make iron sites more accurate, you will also make scopes more deadly in the current system... an unintended consequence.

This means that you would have to change something fundamental about the way scopes work, and any way you come up with is likely to be arbitrary. OCTH had them give some sort of aiming bonus, with a better bonus for a bigger scope. That just makes the most powerful scopes the best, always. Another unintended side effect.

It's rather a tricky situation. I think about the best thing we can do is either make aiming through certain scopes take longer, or else make iron sites faster, to give them some sort of advantage, or perhaps a combination of these ideas. Perhaps iron sites take a little longer to aim through than a 2x scope, but they provide roughly the same accuracy (not entirely convinced of that, even as I type it).

Basically, hells if I know, but it's definitely a huge topic in these forums right now, and this thread is still part of it, even if it's just ultimately pointing out NCTH deficiencies as exemplified by specific weapons.

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		NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Fri, 29 July 2011 02:21
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Marlboro Man on Fri, 29 July 2011 16:17
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: PasHancock on Fri, 29 July 2011 16:24
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Marlboro Man on Fri, 29 July 2011 16:49
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: The Cheshire Cat on Sat, 30 July 2011 09:56
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Hazapuza on Sat, 30 July 2011 11:00
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Mon, 01 August 2011 01:38
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Wed, 10 August 2011 23:35
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Thu, 11 August 2011 01:16
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Thu, 11 August 2011 17:15
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Mon, 15 August 2011 01:30
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Sat, 20 August 2011 07:09
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Sun, 21 August 2011 04:43
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Mon, 22 August 2011 02:48
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Tue, 23 August 2011 23:32
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Pariah on Wed, 24 August 2011 01:33
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Wed, 24 August 2011 02:37
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Pariah on Wed, 24 August 2011 07:03
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Wed, 24 August 2011 07:49
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Pariah on Wed, 24 August 2011 09:32
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Wed, 24 August 2011 20:57
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Pariah on Wed, 24 August 2011 21:14
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Wed, 24 August 2011 21:33
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Pariah on Wed, 24 August 2011 22:00
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Wed, 24 August 2011 22:22
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Thu, 25 August 2011 02:13
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Fri, 26 August 2011 00:16
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Fri, 02 September 2011 00:44
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Fri, 11 November 2011 15:40
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headhunter on Fri, 11 November 2011 20:19
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: DepressivesBrot on Fri, 11 November 2011 20:37
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Fri, 11 November 2011 20:48
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Fri, 11 November 2011 21:38
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Fri, 11 November 2011 21:45
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Fri, 11 November 2011 22:33
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: powerhouse11 on Sun, 13 November 2011 12:46
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Inkompetent on Mon, 14 November 2011 00:36
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Mon, 14 November 2011 02:18
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Mon, 14 November 2011 03:11
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headhunter on Mon, 14 November 2011 12:26
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Mon, 14 November 2011 15:04
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: usrbid on Mon, 14 November 2011 16:18
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Mon, 14 November 2011 16:35
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: usrbid on Mon, 14 November 2011 17:12
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: powerhouse11 on Tue, 15 November 2011 13:00
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headrock on Tue, 15 November 2011 22:36
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: pakopako on Thu, 17 November 2011 02:43
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: powerhouse11 on Thu, 17 November 2011 11:24
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Sam Hotte on Thu, 17 November 2011 15:34
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Action on Mon, 19 December 2011 22:13
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: knightofni on Tue, 20 December 2011 03:03
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: David81 on Tue, 20 December 2011 16:01
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Action on Wed, 21 December 2011 00:48
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Mon, 16 January 2012 19:24
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Logisteric on Mon, 16 January 2012 19:38
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Gorro der Grüne on Mon, 16 January 2012 20:22
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Mon, 16 January 2012 20:43
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Sam Hotte on Mon, 16 January 2012 21:34
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Mon, 16 January 2012 21:42
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Mon, 16 January 2012 22:36
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Thu, 19 January 2012 00:15
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Fri, 20 January 2012 18:38
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Sat, 21 January 2012 01:02
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Wil473 on Sat, 21 January 2012 02:56
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Headhunter on Mon, 13 February 2012 23:14
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Tue, 14 February 2012 07:41
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: DepressivesBrot on Tue, 14 February 2012 09:59
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Tue, 14 February 2012 23:48
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: sabresandy on Sun, 19 February 2012 06:07
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: buuface on Sun, 19 February 2012 12:14
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: DepressivesBrot on Sun, 19 February 2012 12:16
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: buuface on Sun, 19 February 2012 12:49
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Sun, 19 February 2012 13:15
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: sabresandy on Mon, 20 February 2012 00:07
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Mon, 20 February 2012 02:25
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: sabresandy on Mon, 20 February 2012 04:00
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Sat, 25 February 2012 02:18
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Sat, 25 February 2012 05:58
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: sabresandy on Sun, 26 February 2012 06:06
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Sun, 26 February 2012 19:39
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: UniversalWolf on Mon, 27 February 2012 00:15
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Mon, 27 February 2012 01:39
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: sabresandy on Tue, 28 February 2012 00:27
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Tue, 28 February 2012 01:21
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: sabresandy on Tue, 28 February 2012 01:39
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Tue, 28 February 2012 02:49
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: sabresandy on Wed, 29 February 2012 00:49
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Wed, 07 March 2012 23:12
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Fri, 16 March 2012 08:50
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Biernath_J on Fri, 16 March 2012 09:23
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Ryft on Mon, 19 March 2012 19:39
		Re: NCTH: Weapons that Disappoint By: Biernath_J on Mon, 19 March 2012 20:27
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