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(Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175434] Tue, 12 February 2008 11:10 Go to next message
bl00dp00l is currently offline bl00dp00l
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I just realized why I've played vanilla JA2 so many times but have only finished it once. When I get to around 80% completion I always get an urge to create a new merc. I have the Gold version and never got into UB so I decided to make a character, go through all the quests level up my IMP and go do UB. However, I've decided yet again, that it's time to start over.

I really want to go with an assassin type character this time, as I usually just go Night Ops and Auto Weaps and just go in guns blazing. Can someone suggest which combo of the 2 above will be better or simply 'more fun'? Dual wielding silenced pistols/smgs or throwing knives at peoples' backs? Also would it be better to sub out stealth for night ops with throwing? Can someone without the throwing skill still be proficient at using throwing knives(one hit kills)? All templates or suggestions are welcome.

Btw, I'm still playing vanilla JA2 and plan on importing this character into UB. Smile

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175456] Tue, 12 February 2008 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In vanilla JA2 I'd go for throwing, because there are very few good one-handed guns around... what fun is ambi when you have no dual G11PDW, MP7, P90 or FiveSeveN (sawed-off shotgun when in Rambo mood...)? I always found throwing easier at the start while ambidextrous is more fun in the late game... if you can't decide you could always go with the classic NO/stealth...

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175466] Tue, 12 February 2008 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How effective are throwing knives if I go NO/stealth and don't have the throwing skill? Also, aren't there more one handed weapons in Unfinished business?

I did try a NO/throwing merc but it seemed like when I got close enough to throw my knife they would hear me. I'm guessing it's either due to my merc's low level or the lack of stealth as a skill but I can't be sure.

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175467] Tue, 12 February 2008 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Throwing knives are still effective if you do not have the throwing characteristic. I'm pretty sure it depends on your mercs level, dexterity, and marks. I think trowing gives a % chance at a one hit kill.

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175501] Wed, 13 February 2008 04:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bl00dp00l


I really want to go with an assassin type character this time, as I usually just go Night Ops and Auto Weaps and just go in guns blazing. Can someone suggest which combo of the 2 above will be better or simply 'more fun'? Dual wielding silenced pistols/smgs or throwing knives at peoples' backs? Also would it be better to sub out stealth for night ops with throwing? Can someone without the throwing skill still be proficient at using throwing knives(one hit kills)? All templates or suggestions are welcome.

Btw, I'm still playing vanilla JA2 and plan on importing this character into UB. Smile


bl00dp00l
How effective are throwing knives if I go NO/stealth and don't have the throwing skill? Also, aren't there more one handed weapons in Unfinished business?

I did try a NO/throwing merc but it seemed like when I got close enough to throw my knife they would hear me. I'm guessing it's either due to my merc's low level or the lack of stealth as a skill but I can't be sure.
Iceman23
Throwing knives are still effective if you do not have the throwing characteristic. I'm pretty sure it depends on your mercs level, dexterity, and marks. I think trowing gives a % chance at a one hit kill.



I would suggest a NO/TH merc.Because throwing knives are great for night attacks when close encounters increase significantly and with NO you would see a little further.

If you think your merc is not stealthy enough(you can always walk square per square and check the noise),you can put a classic NO/ST with a high DEX merc.Razor is a great thrower even at low level and low Marks(50),thanks to his extremely high DEX (91 or so).

Just for you to know,I've cleared an entire sector with Shank's wonderful throwing knives and he's not stealthy....

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175536] Wed, 13 February 2008 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what fun is ambi when you have no dual G11PDW, MP7, P90 or FiveSeveN


In vanilla JA2, the P90 is a one-handed weapon (its two handed in 1.13). You just won't ever find 2 to carry...much less 1! So yes, ambi is pretty weak in vanilla JA2.

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175563] Wed, 13 February 2008 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I remember correctly two P90s could be found at M9. Sometimes.

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175581] Thu, 14 February 2008 05:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've found 2 at my recent JA2 game. How lucky I am....... :blah:

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175606] Thu, 14 February 2008 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I always thought it was still one-handed in 1.13... rarely used the weapons that need rare ammo... something must have been changed in the last 800 revisions or so... ^^
And I never found 2 in vanilla JA2, not even 1 in most games...

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175611] Thu, 14 February 2008 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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just as Dexterity has some bearing on how well Marksmanship & Ap's actually works for you; agility has some bearing on stealth I'm sure.

The classic assassin IMP is NO/Stealthy, high dex, high agi, high mkshp, high wis, small body type and answers "that" question with Accurate Pitching.

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175682] Fri, 15 February 2008 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I ended up making a NO/TH with a big body type. Does the body type make a difference? He seems to crouch walk a lot slower than the little mercs...I assumed it was due to agility differences but perhaps it's the body type? Does the body type affect anything else?

Anyways, thus far it's been a real blast. I didn't realize how good throwing knives were...I've only taken Drassen and Cambria so far but the grey elites can go down with one throwing knife. It doesn't have to be to the back either, as long as they don't see you or it's a 'interrrupt' they are going down. I go in with Reaper, Sidney, and IMP and even if they don't go down with the first knife the 3 of them combined can unleash a barrage of knives which puts the enemy down and they don't even know where it came from. Fun stuff Smile

Now if someone says the little body types throw knives better I'm going to regret going with the big body type.

Also, strength seems to affect how far the knife can be thrown. My IMP has more range on the throwing knives than sidney who is TH Expert...the only difference I can see if Sidney has less ST and a small body type.

Can't wait to throw some knives when I import my character into Unfinished Business. Thanks again for the tips Rudy.

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175729] Fri, 15 February 2008 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Throwing knives are fun!

If you use 1.13, be sure to try out the shuriken and heavy throwing knives as well. Both are still capable of one hit kills, but their normal base damage varies, with shuriken doing less damage per hit, and the heavy throwing knives doing more per hit. However, you can carry more shuriken per pocket....and they're just cool!

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #175749] Sat, 16 February 2008 01:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I ended up making a NO/TH with a big body type. Does the body type make a difference? He seems to crouch walk a lot slower than the little mercs...I assumed it was due to agility differences but perhaps it's the body type? Does the body type affect anything else?


Now if someone says the little body types throw knives better I'm going to regret going with the big body type.

Also, strength seems to affect how far the knife can be thrown. My IMP has more range on the throwing knives than sidney who is TH Expert...the only difference I can see if Sidney has less ST and a small body type.

Can't wait to throw some knives when I import my character into Unfinished Business. Thanks again for the tips Rudy.


Thx.Like Cougar says: "It was nothing."

I don't think a 90 agility big body would move slower than a 69 normal body.Maybe it's just the animation that looks slower. I like the normal body more when I'm crouch-walking.

Yea,Strength affects how far you can throw th-knives,grenades and whatever can be thrown on the JA2 universe(like shurikens).

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #176974] Sat, 01 March 2008 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Best thing about shuriken is that they less APs are needed, so you can throw a few of them per turn. They are quicker than the normal throwing knives (but do the same damage:15) and they are much quicker than the heavy ones (which do more damage:22). After all, you don't have to worry about estimating distances, so they are pretty effective.

So in ja2 v.1.13 either use the heavy ones or the shuriken. I would suggest the heavy ones for mercs with less experience (level). Of course, in Omerta you can sometimes find some bloody knives (damage:also 15)... and if you get some from your enemies, they're always handy to start with.

Remember throwing skill increases greatly per level. Level1 or level4 makes a big difference.

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #177190] Mon, 03 March 2008 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the characters-'health' will effect the walking-speed.
(I don't mean they might be wounded
I think there would be a difference in speed between mercs with 90 and 70 health.)

Also how much stuff a merc carries, weight-%, might slow them down.

Last, a merc with backpack takes 3 APs per step, while a merc wearing only a TIMS-battlepack/TT-3day pack/Blackhawk patrol uses 2 APs.

(mmmh perhaps giving the rock - only stun damage might be nice)

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Re: (Stealth/Throwing) or (Stealth/Ambidextrous)?[message #177230] Mon, 03 March 2008 20:26 Go to previous message
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Well I ended up making a NO/TH with a big body type. Does the body type make a difference?


Mercs with big body type cannot have Martial Arts skill.

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