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Talk about calibers[message #207589]

Fri, 30 January 2009 19:55

viracicha

Messages:102
Registered:November 2007

play 1.13 pcm and would like to make a command at BR.
what are the 3 more powerfull calibers ?

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Sergeant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #207590]

Fri, 30 January 2009 20:01

foij

Messages:227
Registered:February 2007
Location: in a van, down by the riv...

I'm having trouble understanding your post. Can you be more clear?

In JA2, caliber has nothing to do with how powerful a weapon is.
Weapon damage is set by the weapon itself, not by what type of caliber the weapon is.

If I had a 12.7mm rifle, edit it to have it do 1 damage per shot, it would be useless. It doesn't matter that the caliber of the rifle is still 12.7mm.

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Sergeant 1st Class

Re: Talk about calibers[message #207594]

Fri, 30 January 2009 21:05

SpaceViking

Messages:751
Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

Calibre/caliber is the measurement of the diameter of the barrel (and thus the ammo). It is related to how powerful a weapon is but only for similar kinds of guns. For instance, the .45 handgun has a larger caliber than a .308 (7.62 mm) rifle but the .308 is a more powerful gun.

For rifles the .50's (12.7mm) are generally the most powerful.

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First Sergeant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #207595]

Fri, 30 January 2009 21:10

cougar

Messages:254
Registered:March 2000

I suggest that you take a look at this post:

http://www.ja-galaxy-forum.com/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=199401&page=1&fpart=1

But generally this is true:

Higher caliber = Higher accuracy, longer range, higher damage, higher burst penalty (this is bad) and lower magazine capacity.

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Master Sergeant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #207596]

Fri, 30 January 2009 21:41

foij

Messages:227
Registered:February 2007
Location: in a van, down by the riv...

The reason a .308 Winchester round(7.62mmx51mm) is much more powerful than a .45ACP (11.45mmx22.8mm) round has little to do with the caliber. More important is the LENGTH of the cartridge and the amount of propellant behind the bullet, which affects the muzzle velocity (in conjunction with the gun barrel) and the energy imparted by the bullet. Simply put, the .308 Winchester is a RIFLE cartridge, while the .45ACP is a HANDGUN cartridge.

Another example: which is more powerful, .50AE or .50BMG? Comparing caliber alone they should be the same right? In reality, the .50BMG is MUCH more powerful. Why? The .50AE (12.7mmx33mm) is again a HANDGUN cartridge, while the .50BMG (Browning Machine Gun, 12.7mmx99mm) is a RIFLE cartridge.

The same holds true even amongst handgun cartridges. Compare the 9mm Makarov PM to the 9mm Parabellum.

Also, caliber is a misnomer. a .38 Special bullet (bullet is 9.1mm, base diameter 9.6mm, 29.3mm long) is the EXACT SAME DIAMETER as a .357 Magnum bullet (bullet is 9.1mm, base is 9.6mm, 33mm long). The main difference is length of each cartridge.

Again, in JA2, caliber does not determine weapon damage. Weapon damage is tied to each gun. You can edit the caliber of any gun in game, and the weapon damage will remain the same, unless you edit that as well.

[Updated on: Fri, 30 January 2009 21:53] by Moderator

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Sergeant 1st Class

Re: Talk about calibers[message #207771]

Mon, 02 February 2009 14:06

viracicha

Messages:102
Registered:November 2007

THANKS for yours lights

if i understand :
rifles are powerfull than hand guns even if the gun have a bigger "size", because of a longer "canon".
(that mean) if trevor put a barrel extender on fox' s glock, it should make biggers damages too!! ,no?

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Sergeant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #207784]

Mon, 02 February 2009 16:10

Kaerar

Messages:2016
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

Not quite. It will increase penetration ability due to increased muzzle velocity. It does not necessarily increase damage. It will increase range however Wink

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Lieutenant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #208026]

Wed, 04 February 2009 17:38

viracicha

Messages:102
Registered:November 2007

thanks kaerar and well done for the pcm too.

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Sergeant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #208065]

Thu, 05 February 2009 05:38

Kaerar

Messages:2016
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

PCM+ was all Schienworlds addition. I am yet to play with that. I am making a HAM compatible version of the Single Click as well as a current version in the next week or so depending on Real Life commitments.

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Lieutenant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #208234]

Fri, 06 February 2009 21:17

viracicha

Messages:102
Registered:November 2007

HAM compatible ?

in my island (guadeloupe fwi) everyone is "en greve" since 3 week, so imagine how much time have i to lib

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Sergeant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #208264]

Sat, 07 February 2009 11:46

Starwalker

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Registered:October 2005
Location: Hannover, Germany

Happy Birthday, Kaerar Smile

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First Sergeant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #208272]

Sat, 07 February 2009 12:57

Kaerar

Messages:2016
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

Thanks mate Smile

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Lieutenant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #208286]

Sat, 07 February 2009 19:40

Badbru

Messages:63
Registered:January 2008
Location: Perth Australia

Kaerar

Not quite. It will increase penetration ability due to increased muzzle velocity. It does not necessarily increase damage. It will increase range however

I understand this in the world, but does the game model this?

You're saying that within the JA2 engine adding a barrel extender increase the penetration ability of the weapons bullets fired?

Oh and yeah Happy birthday fellow Aussie.

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Corporal

Re: Talk about calibers[message #208288]

Sat, 07 February 2009 20:05

Kaerar

Messages:2016
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

Thanks mate, I was saying if anything that is what should happen. I am aware it has no affect ingame. It's badly worded though (as is this probably) as I normally end up writing stuff at stupid'o'clock in the morning.

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Lieutenant

Re: Talk about calibers[message #230470]

Thu, 06 August 2009 13:55

sorensen721

Messages:8
Registered:July 2009

With regards to JA2, I think there's a hidden table data somewhere regarding the "power" of cartridge types .. eg. both 7.62x51mm NATO and 9x19mm pistol are both AP bullets, but

Guardian vests and better (eg. Spectra, Dynema) protects against AP pistol rounds, but not against 7.62mm NATO and equivalents .. there's more than just weapon damage values and whether the bullet is AP or not.

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