Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18682]
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Tue, 29 October 2002 21:58
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Registered:March 2002 Location: Namsos, Tr |
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I did a search on the net and dug a little, and look here.
AIM competitor
This is a mercenary company like AIM.
However, they do not claim it officially but they are known to have activities in Sierra Leone. And they have what you can say, suspicous positions availible in the company.
There real name is Military Professional Resources, Inc (MPRI).
Here is an other pointer Pointer
look at theese and you see the same connections as me... Mercenaries are like AIM.
There are also suspcted to be Russian parts selling firm that hires out pilots to countries that pay great money, Really big money in a war.
So my friends, interesting huh?
Also here is an super pointer and a spoiler Here!
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18689]
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Thu, 31 October 2002 13:48
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Registered:June 2002 Location: Calgary,Alberta,Canada |
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Oh, I don't know, you get to go to such interesting places, meet such interesting people, kill them or be killed by them.
Then theres the issues of money, food, supplies, weapons, and all of the other fun logistical problems to deal with. Not to mention weather, bugs and other wildlife, corrupt governments, disease, manpower issues, etc.
It would beat charterd accountancy.
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18692]
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Sat, 02 November 2002 14:20
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Registered:November 2002 Location: Michigan, USA / Hoersholm... |
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First off - great site, I've lurked for less than 1 day before joining, a new record.
Played JA-DG and JA2 on and off over the years - haven't finished JA2 yet (my nom de guerre is quite relevant... kids want to play Reader Rabbit, wife rejects concept of war toys as character building).
Try a websearch for "private military companies" - you'll get a hit for UK parliament "Green Paper" which seems to propose consideration of hiring mercs for cost control purposes - also in the appendices, a summary of recent mercenary engagements (Sandline, EO, etc.) - nothing to do with the game itself, but interesting nonetheless - life imitating art, etc.
So far in the game, I've come to know Drassen extremely well, explored San Mona and Chitzena, but that's pretty much it.
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18709]
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Wed, 06 April 2005 06:56
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Registered:November 2002 Location: Virginia (USA) |
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Extremely interesting. Note, however this only supports my contention that the insertion of a team to overthrow a government / train insurgents / whatever is extremely expensive. You just don't do it on $30,000.00. Thirty million dollars, now that's possible. Numerous posts on this point previously, but the articles and data above are fairly conclusive. Only well-funded merc organizations commit to serious actions. This means they can access serious weaponry, too. Game and mod designers - take note. This is how it's really done. Cease with the silly "go-get-them-with-this-p-38-can-opener-and-let-me-know-when-you've-conquored-the-country" stuff. Ditto for the ammo. In UC (love the mod. Love it!) a charge of $150.00 for 30 rounds of 5.56 is absolutely stupid. That's $5.00 per shot. You can get .50 caliber ammo at any commercial operation for $1.00 per shot. And 5.56 must be the first or second most widely used caliber in the world... I'd bet you $1.00 that the merc companies shell out more money for satellite photos, electronic intel and field intel than they do for weaponry anyway. But if you were a merc, would you go with less than a full kit and state-of-the-art gear? Heck, no! You'd take every advantage you could get. And your shots, too!
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18710]
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Thu, 07 April 2005 09:45
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Registered:December 2004 |
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Quote:In UC (love the mod. Love it!) a charge of $150.00 for 30 rounds of 5.56 is absolutely stupid. Indeed. For the same price I could pick up 900 rounds of SS109 . That works out to sixteen cents a cartridge. I'm sure a military organization could get cheaper, 'specially for bulk orders.
But then, UC is a game(a really fun game) and if 5.56mm ammo cost so little the M4A1 and SAW would pwn all. No challenge if you can get a ton of ammo for that new supershutzenboomeren rifle. The lack of ammo makes some weapons all the sweeter...
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18712]
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Fri, 08 April 2005 09:00
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Registered:November 2002 Location: Virginia (USA) |
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Yeah, but also not "real" to have a group of 6 trying to take and hold that much real estate either. The only way they could do such a thing is with massive force multiplyers - like SAWs with unlimited ammo! I've always enjoyed JA2 as a "small group vs. small group" or limited-target game. Let's face it. You put six people up against a company that has any idea of what's going on and that little squad is toast. So JA isn't really a "war" game to my way of thinking. It's more a "special forces" type of game. Spec Ops don't try to take and hold real estate. Their job is to get in, train resistors, disrupt, harass, and interfere with the occupying force, blow up things which cause more damage to the occupiers than to the residents, sometimes to assassinate, kidnap or intimidate officials, and generally reduce the occupier's ability to control the situation. Now here's the best part: how are special forces operations different from "terrorist" actions?
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18713]
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Mon, 11 April 2005 12:33
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Registered:April 2005 Location: Paola, KS |
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Hey A guy i work with left work and joined a merc group now called a "private security force" and went to Iraq for a one year contract. Hes getting 153,000 bucks for one years work, plus room and board. not bad for a ex-marine with a fake hip. hehe
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18714]
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Mon, 11 April 2005 17:08
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Registered:December 2004 |
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Quote:Originally posted by Scottybrown100:
Then we need to make a Realism Mod, which would have MAX number of enemies in each sector, but ammo really cheap. Cause lets face it, only ten guys gaurding a town? Not real... How much realism do you want? Several mods are already fairly realistic in tactics and weaponry. But to make the game as a whole more realistic would require change more than that. Mercenaries are normally employed for two things. The first being a specific task, often requiring well trained soldiers or special skills(often covert missions such as assassination). The second is training other troops. With the exception of some situations, like Sierra Leone, mercenaries aren't the main fighting force of an army.
And even Executive Outcomes used local soldiers, though they formed the "core" of the army. And they had 100-150 mercs in the country plus some 20 helicopters. Most players have six to eighteen men and one chopper lacking weapons of any sort.
The red shirts probably have little training, possibly the member of some two-bit gang attached to the person in power. A yellow shirt would be a regular soldier, decent amount of training but still not a real professional. A grey shirt would be an elite fighter or at least on par with the soldiers of the major powers today. A mercenary force like that in JA2 would be able to cut through the red and yellow shirts pretty easily. But a small core of grey shirts with support from red/yellows would be something else.
Realism is nice. In fact I crave realism more than most players. The thought of firearms and tools requiring parts if they break, supply lines, and food and water requirements would make most strategy players cringe. It makes me hot and heavy(Just kidding, but not far from the truth). But some elements of unrealism are present in all games. And JA2 would suck if the mercenaries were employed "realistically."
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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #365834 is a reply to message #18682]
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Mon, 27 November 2023 18:02
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Registered:April 2018 Location: Roannapur |
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Only if AIM was doing the Reitman regime's dirty work.
It is not impossible for individual mercenaries to end up on the right side of history... it has happened.
But there's a good reason there's no real-life equivalents to AIM or the A-Team - the people with the luxurious funding are never the good guys (or even the "lesser evil" side).
In fact, why "The Company" would allow a merc outfit that is (mostly) staffed by US citizens to interfere with one of it's fascist achievements in it's own back yard is something that the bare-bones plot doesn't even attempt to tackle.
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