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Prism[message #321772] Thu, 20 June 2013 21:14 Go to next message
Will Gates is currently offline Will Gates

 
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Why is it ok for the US Govt to spy on people around the world with a dark tech (prism) they wouldn't dare use on their own citizens? I'm getting tired of double standards in high places, not just in the States but everywhere. There an epidemic of substandard leadership globally. All spin and no substance. I curse all politicians without exception and for all eternity!

The culprits should be sent to prism... :scan:

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Re: Prism[message #321829] Sat, 22 June 2013 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar is currently offline Kaerar

 
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Here here. I know the feeling. Problem is I'm now in a bit of a predicament. I like Aussie weather, but the politicians are screwing us so hard we might as well all start wearing gimp suits. But I could go to NZ which has awful weather but good snow, though still bad politicians. Finally there's the UK where I could go back to, but then I run the risk of an entire lifetime of bad weather, but at least I can play hockey and just ignore the politicians...

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Re: Prism[message #321840] Sat, 22 June 2013 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lockie is currently offline lockie

 
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Hey K , you had a look at Flugente's WH40K mod ? Weren't you interested in doing one , seem to recall that , anything you could add to this new mod or at least suggest to the author ?


BTW , it'll take a week of reading to understand who or what the hell everyone is.... Smile


Wonder if any spooks are watching me type this ... as I type... yoiks , scary thought ! :jail:

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Re: Prism[message #322225] Sun, 30 June 2013 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kaerar is currently offline Kaerar

 
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Already contacted him, when I get spare time for items and so on I'll be doing what I can Smile

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Re: Prism[message #322229] Sun, 30 June 2013 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good stuff !

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Re: Prism[message #322762] Mon, 15 July 2013 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Will Gates
Why is it ok for the US Govt to spy on people around the world with a dark tech (prism) they wouldn't dare use on their own citizens? I'm getting tired of double standards in high places, not just in the States but everywhere. There an epidemic of substandard leadership globally. All spin and no substance. I curse all politicians without exception and for all eternity!

The culprits should be sent to prism... :scan:


Seriously? My 2 ct. in a nutshell: The attacks of 9/11 came without a warning; the U.S. and the agencies related to the executive were taken by surprise. Classically, defensive measures are taken against offensive action. 9/11 has shown that waiting for obervable action is too late to take defensive measures, and consequently no option. So what is currently tried is to make individual behavior predictable, and therefore to prevent action before it occurs. My reading of Pres. Obama's speech on May 23 was that he realized that this is a bit over the top, and that "legitimate targets" need to be defined narrowly. But I'm not so sure anymore. While Prism couldn't prevent Boston, I do not believe that the lesson learned is that Prism is a misguided approach, but rather, that it happened due to a lack of information. So I don't think that this is about double standards. I believe that the related agencies and other members of the executive who are responsible for the security of the U.S. regard what they do as necessary. The problem is the following: when can you be sure that the U.S. is secure, meaning that no threat of American people, or property, or interests exists?

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Re: Prism[message #322808] Tue, 16 July 2013 12:31 Go to previous message
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My reading of Pres. Obama's speech

Obama had won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. After this:
- Afghanistan
- Iraq
- Libya
- Siria
- Egypt
- ...

Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:53pm EST, Obama orders Guantanamo's closure within a year:
"The message that we are sending around the world is that the United States intends to prosecute the ongoing struggle against violence and terrorism and we are going to do so vigilantly," the new Democratic president said at a signing ceremony in the Oval office.
"We are going to do so effectively and we are going to do so in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals," Obama said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/01/22/us-guantanamo-obama-idUSTRE50K5M320090122



"I'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker," Obama said in response to a hypotethical scenario presented to him... Bolivian presidential plane forced to land in Austria over suspicions Snowden on board.


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