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Stealth/knifing[message #29070]

Tue, 26 September 2006 04:39

Flyhigh

Messages:5
Registered:September 2006

Hello all
Am getting really frustrated with this game trying to play a stealth player with knife and silenced gun yet seem to be constantly caught out by the enemy at the crucial moment.Will the stealth work better as i gain more experience or is it an AI flaw that the enemy spots you like this.
Some tips for stealthy knife killing would be appreciated.
My charecter has stealth and knifing as skills
max dex,max agility max strength was wondering if strength might be the problem as it could make the charecter more heavy?
Thanks

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Private

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #29071]

Tue, 26 September 2006 07:17

DNA from the Lowlands

Messages:337
Registered:July 2003

Hi,

-Yeah, stealth will work better as the IMP levels-up.

(-Activating the 'stealth', Z-key.)

-standing around a corner, take 1-step back: the enemy can 'see' the 1st square)

-JA2 is turnbased from the moment you spot an enemy, untill then everyone moves simultaneous. In turnbased mode the amount of ActionPoints, limit your movement.
After two turns without enemy-contact realtime sets in. When you re-aquire the enemy your APs should be maxed. Then you can side-step (alt+click) around a corner.

-Interupt, in turnbased mode you don't have to spend all action points.
When you don't, you get a 'chance' to interupt enemies during their turn.

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Master Sergeant

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #29072]

Tue, 26 September 2006 09:06

Lucas

Messages:311
Registered:June 2006
Location: Londrina, PR, Brazil

Chances of interrupting an enemy is also influenced by the Night Operations skill. At night it provide 1.5 extra square of line of sight for the Night Ops specialist (3.0 to experts) and at daytime the NO skill provides a small bonus to the merc hearing.

Also the AI always know the chances of hitting, while the player don't and the AI explores this disavantage, but this is another history.

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Master Sergeant

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #29073]

Wed, 27 September 2006 09:50

Flyhigh

Messages:5
Registered:September 2006

thanks am slowly getting the hang of it i changed to no/knifing last night and am having more success interupts really help and i find i dont need the stealth skill as much as you get bonuses for this anyway with high agility and experience level going up.
Got a good night ops crew now my imp,spider ,grunty and dr q.

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Private

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #29075]

Fri, 24 November 2006 23:20

profound

Messages:64
Registered:October 2004
Location: Lithuania

Quote:

An enemy has turned your back to you, you run up behind him, keep 1 ap, now you turn your back to him, the game will change to real time and then immediatly turn around to him - the game will switch to turn- based and you have full ap, wich will be enough to stab/punch/kick/shoot thebastard to death.

haha, good one, Man-Of-Steele. A bit of fraud, but, anyway, nice:)

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Corporal

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #29076]

Fri, 29 December 2006 01:29

Pender

Messages:6
Registered:July 2006

It seems that the enemies in 1.13 are much more twitchy, than in vanilla JA. Once they are in your FOV they rarely stand still at all (looking around, moving about)- even though you're completely unnoticed. This of course makes it much harder to sneak up behind an enemy.

Anyone had a similar experience?

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Private

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #29077]

Fri, 29 December 2006 07:22

Marlboro Man

Messages:1153
Registered:October 2005
Location: USA

Yes. The improved AI is very hard now to get the drop on with a knife. But it can be done. And stealth plays an important role. Throwing knives are still your best bet. If you have the patience just pace the guy and watch his patrol pattern, then you can setup a knifing ambush. Obviously you can't do this out in the open very well.

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Sergeant Major

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #150983]

Fri, 27 July 2007 22:13

Lucas

Messages:311
Registered:June 2006
Location: Londrina, PR, Brazil

Knives do more damage, but they cost more AP to use than just hands&feet. And from my experience, they miss more often (a knife expert like Scully still seems to swing wide more often than my martial arts gurus). So I'd recommend having your knife-wielder as a secondary, or using the knife only in those situations where you can get especially close.

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Master Sergeant

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #154813]

Wed, 29 August 2007 00:42

Wounded Ronin

Messages:74
Registered:August 2006

Man, I remember how in vanilla JA just trying to shoot at the enemy was so much less effective than in 1.13, and so stealth and night ops activities were actually very key in vanilla JA. On the other hand, while you can still stealth in vanilla, 1.13 makes just shooting people in the daytime much more effective and so more of a viable option. Which I like much better, anyway.

Just reminiscing.

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Corporal

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #154818]

Wed, 29 August 2007 00:53

SpaceViking

Messages:751
Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

Wounded Ronin

...while you can still stealth in vanilla, 1.13 makes just shooting people in the daytime much more effective and so more of a viable option.

Only for a while and only while you have weapon superiority. Once the soldiers start packing sniper rifles and, much worse yet, mortars daylight fights are not pretty for your guys. Believe me, using a group of night ops/stealth people all equipped with those Russian silenced sniper rifles and P90s with silencers is a LOT safer than a daylight raid in the mid-to-late game.

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First Sergeant

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #154822]

Wed, 29 August 2007 01:04

Wounded Ronin

Messages:74
Registered:August 2006

Fair enough about the mortars and the sniper rifles.

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Corporal

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #158615]

Fri, 21 September 2007 18:05

Rednight

Messages:103
Registered:April 2004
Location: United States

My best experiences have been during night attacks...the throw knives work very well when you nail someone right in the back.

I don't have many knife kills, but they are memoriable ones.

My advice is leave your Mercs on stealth mode alot...this will help them improve. I do that whenever I enter a sector and until the engage the enemy. I makes a big differences and more often then not the first enemy trooper they encounter has no idea that they are their.

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Sergeant

Re: Stealth/knifing[message #158662]

Fri, 21 September 2007 23:28

Muerte

Messages:70
Registered:September 2007
Location: West USA

Of course, a good reason to knife, rather than to shoot an enemy with a silencer, is because knifing is quieter, less likely to attract attention.

However, I think for most, the biggest motivation to knife, rather than to shoot with a silencer, is simply because it's so cool when you take the enemy down with a knife. The reason it is so cool is because it is harder to do; if knife kills were as easy as shooting kills, they would not be as rewarding.

Using throwing knives is kind of in between; much more exciting than shooting, but not quite as satisfying as a knifing kill. The reason? because a throwing-knife kill is harder to pull-off than shooting, but easier than knifing.

Obviously, Hand-to-Hand/Martial Arts kills are basically like knifing kills; very cool on the occasion that you can do it, because it's not easy.

If I were to play a game where I wanted to focus on knifing/H-t-H/Martial Arts kills, I'd definitely play on Novice, and not feel a bit bad about it.

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Corporal

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