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First Screenshots![message #276019]

Thu, 17 March 2011 20:02

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

Looks pretty awesome, but no crouching/move options!

http://jagged-alliance-online.browsergames.de/screenshots/

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276020]

Thu, 17 March 2011 20:16

Logisteric

Messages:3199
Registered:December 2008
Location: B

you think it looks pretty awesome?

that makes it 1:1

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Captain

Re: First Screenshots![message #276021]

Thu, 17 March 2011 20:24

DepressivesBrot

Messages:3658
Registered:July 2009

It looks good and surely appropriate for the game, but 'awesome' is something else.

And when I see that 'M15A2, caliber 3,25' and the cartoon-ish interface, I already saw enough.

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Captain

Re: First Screenshots![message #276031]

Thu, 17 March 2011 22:56

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Uh, an M16 in Gold *and* Silver, how cute!! (being sarcastic)

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276056]

Fri, 18 March 2011 02:16

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

seriously, you guys are way too oldskool :geek3:

well maybe i had harshly bad expectations, but on the other hand plz don't forget it's an browser game and it is free ( Not an Fullprice game ) You guys aren't happy with anything where 1.13 is not written on ^^ come on give yourself a try.

It's like being a teenager in a rest home ... It is turnbased so stfu! This is bad and this is bad, dude Internet is hilarious. Sorry but i had to say this...

[Updated on: Fri, 18 March 2011 02:35] by Moderator

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276059]

Fri, 18 March 2011 03:32

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Peal

come on give yourself a try.

No need, I am married.

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276066]

Fri, 18 March 2011 09:57

Fozzie

Messages:183
Registered:April 2010
Location: Germany

The graphics look decent, I think. At least there won't be any hassle with tilting/rotating the camera. Why they can't use the real names of weapons and calibers beats me, though. It's not like you had to "license" them. Reminds me of those football games without a license for the teams' and players' names. I remember playing with "Klinkmanns" and "Matthauser" on the national team back in the 90s - hilarious...
And as much as I dislike Browser Games in general - at least they're turn-based, as Peal mentioned. Would be ironic if simply due to the technical limitations of the engine, the browser version turned out to be the superior new JA...

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Staff Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276093]

Fri, 18 March 2011 20:16

Shanga

Messages:3482
Registered:January 2000
Location: Danubia

I'd like it more than JA2:R if they kept it turn-based. Any news on that?

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Captain

Re: First Screenshots![message #276094]

Fri, 18 March 2011 20:34

Gorro der Grüne

Messages:1448
Registered:March 2009
Location: Broadwurschd-City

Peal

It is turnbased so stfu!

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276095]

Fri, 18 March 2011 20:55

lockie

Messages:3721
Registered:February 2006
Location: Scotland

Quote:

It's like being a teenager in a rest home ...

Yeah , we get to order you about ... :taskmaster:

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You guys aren't happy with anything where 1.13 is not written on

Hey , what can I say , it's better than BE5 or Hired Guns or JA:R will be .

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It is turnbased so stfu!

Nup , you stfu.... :snake:

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This is bad and this is bad, dude Internet is hilarious. Sorry but i had to say this...

What does this drivel even mean ? :dontknow2:

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Captain

Re: First Screenshots![message #276106]

Fri, 18 March 2011 23:26

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

@lockie
splitting my post in peaces does not make you looking smarter :et4:

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276108]

Fri, 18 March 2011 23:29

Gorro der Grüne

Messages:1448
Registered:March 2009
Location: Broadwurschd-City

Peal

@lockie
splitting my post in peaces does not make you looking smarter :et4:

I don't think he wants to even look smart.

He is older than I am AND he does wear a skirt.

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276110]

Fri, 18 March 2011 23:45

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

i know :bandit: thats why i prefer to engage bullshit with bullshit, i hope you got that I'm not serious here, wearing big trollfac atm. Cause the last thing that makes sense these days, is JA2 Fans fighting each other ^^ Its just that somebody has to tell the truth and if you are a man, take it like a man and move on :cuppa:

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276139]

Sat, 19 March 2011 12:44

lockie

Messages:3721
Registered:February 2006
Location: Scotland

Quote:

Poster: Peal
Subject: Re: First Screenshots!

@lockie
splitting my post in peaces does not make you looking smarter

Sure it does...... Very Happy

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Captain

Re: First Screenshots![message #276262]

Mon, 21 March 2011 14:31

Majek

Messages:437
Registered:January 2003
Location: Slovenia

It looks ok, the UI is bad though.

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276341]

Tue, 22 March 2011 09:59

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Uhm, me dumb, but then you knew that already, is there a link where I can play this?

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276353]

Tue, 22 March 2011 11:07

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

UI / User Interface not AI / Artificial Intelligence Smile

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276369]

Tue, 22 March 2011 12:17

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

I don't believe Majek would confuse the two.

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276372]

Tue, 22 March 2011 13:26

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

But then, why do you ask to play it when we can judge the UI from the screenshots? :headscratch: obviously there is no link to play!
Was it a joke? anyways ...

[Updated on: Tue, 22 March 2011 13:35] by Moderator

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276433]

Wed, 23 March 2011 05:36

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Someone might have a secret link they can PM me...

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276461]

Wed, 23 March 2011 17:11

Majek

Messages:437
Registered:January 2003
Location: Slovenia

You'll get to play it soon enough.
And yes i meant User Inferace, but i suppose it would work for a simple move and shoot combat.

AI will suck, there no point in pointing that out. Unless we can play PvP i doubt there will be any real good challenge.

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276601]

Fri, 25 March 2011 13:56

Headhunter

Messages:264
Registered:November 2009
Location: Sweden

It looks like Commandos 2...

Now, Commandos 2 is an awesome game, but it's not what I want to play when I hear JA...

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276815]

Tue, 29 March 2011 13:16

primetide

Messages:74
Registered:March 2011

As one of the producrs for the game, let me say a few words:
1) AI will run on a seperate server dedicated to it- so while it will never be as good as a human, we hope it should be pretty decent and at least on par with any offline game.
2) The UI is placeholder art, as we don't have a final UI yet. However I would love to hear from you guys what you think is good or bad about it - we are very open to discussion. And while we may not always fulfil every wish of the community at all times, we are surely going to seriously think about every suggestion.
3) We will offer co-op PvE and PvP shoud follow shortly.

The game visuals have a lot to do with ligthing- and that isn't final by far. That being said, the graphic quality is going to be limited due to it being a browser game. But we always thought gameplay is the more important aspects- or why would there be so many people playing JA2 1.13? Not for the graphics, I assume?

And no, we are not in closed beta by far...the amount of work is massive with us doing over 100 missions and maps, more than 80 mercs and an AI server.

By the way- we do have crouch and run and walk Wink

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Corporal

Re: First Screenshots![message #276871]

Wed, 30 March 2011 09:26

Fozzie

Messages:183
Registered:April 2010
Location: Germany

primetide

2) The UI is placeholder art, as we don't have a final UI yet. However I would love to hear from you guys what you think is good or bad about it - we are very open to discussion.

I think it should definitely be textured in some way, so it looks like an actual "object" and has some depth, not like a glossy interface theme for an operating system. Oh, and lose that weird shade of green, JA calls for something more "earthy" Wink

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Staff Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276880]

Wed, 30 March 2011 11:34

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

primetide

By the way- we do have crouch and run and walk

Awesome

- good good - :shake:

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #276890]

Wed, 30 March 2011 17:51

cdudau

Peal

primetide
By the way- we do have crouch and run and walk

Awesome - good good - :shake:

Why? That should be standard.

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Re: First Screenshots![message #276892]

Wed, 30 March 2011 18:25

Shanga

Messages:3482
Registered:January 2000
Location: Danubia

Welcome to BP, Jan.

First off, I'd like to mention the fact that Cliffhanger tried to get the JA2 modding community involved in their project from day 0. Behind the scenes there have been some talks, but with disappointing feedback from US, not them. So don't confuse them with the JA2:R team, which stepped on everyone's toenails.

I always like to see devs come to the people, not wait for the people to come to them for feedback. Sometimes living on this forum can be harsh, but hey... best truth is the one said without any sugar.

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Captain

Re: First Screenshots![message #276904]

Wed, 30 March 2011 21:44

primetide

Messages:74
Registered:March 2011

Thank you for the welcome Shanga - I fully expect the forum to be our most outspoken critics. The people here have invested tons of work in making JA2 1.13 and a number of cool mods, so they will of course have an opinion on many issues - especially if we choose a different way to do things.

We do indeed have a different approach from the JA:R project, as we want to be as close to the original as possible (while remaining accessible to new players). That being said, we do have budgetary and time restraints that may prevent us from doing so on launch. However we will continue to work on the project (at least if anyone decides to actually pay money in the game, so it becomes profitable), so there are always opportunities to add features later on.

What I ask from the community is a fair chance - knowing full well, JA has been treated badly by publisgers in the past - and don't condemn the game just becase it is online or you dislike one aspect.

Looking forward to more frutiful discussions.
Jan

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Corporal

Re: First Screenshots![message #276943]

Thu, 31 March 2011 11:14

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

Yo Jan, Welcome to the board!! Very Happy

Let me know if you need anything, always happy to help.

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Sergeant Major

Re: First Screenshots![message #276947]

Thu, 31 March 2011 11:46

primetide

Messages:74
Registered:March 2011

Thank you Dieter,
for now, I am happy to just be part of the discussion and hear about your ideas.

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Corporal

Re: First Screenshots![message #277352]

Wed, 06 April 2011 00:48

MikeThePro

Messages:175
Registered:November 2007
Location: Bulgaria

Stuff looks good.
Graphics remind me of Commandos, and that was another awesome game. Hope the game system is gonna be stable on browsers.
Hope the whole thing turns out cool. Been waiting for JA-styled game for ages.

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Staff Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #277371]

Wed, 06 April 2011 12:13

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

At the moment, there is not enough material online to turn this discussion here into healthy and constructive feedback.

Judging from only those screenshots can be misleading.

One more thing: If there is crouching, then there should be barrels, boxes, bushes .. stuff to take cover. Those are tactical positions adding more depth to the gameplay - i cannot see them on the screens. There is a lot of open empty space. I guess what i wanna try to say is, there is no screenshot here i can see potential awesome fights!

If you look an the gunrox screenshots, even the game is pretty bad, there is always stuff to hide.

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #277381]

Wed, 06 April 2011 14:57

primetide

Messages:74
Registered:March 2011

oh, we have plenty of cover opportunities - cars, boxes, bushes (though they only afford hiding space, not cover), barrels (at least those, that don't explode).
There will be also added tactical depth through some skills which support certain styles of gameplay. So it may become a viable option to create a highly armored assault merc, who can take a lot of damage and close range to the enemy as well as a sniper guy shooting from behind the lines.
But of course the current screens don't give much detail. As soon as we can release more, I am hoping things will become more apparent.

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Corporal

Re: First Screenshots![message #277416]

Thu, 07 April 2011 15:09

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

taoteching

Peal
Awesome - good good - :shake:

Why? That should be standard.

All i want from Jagged Alliance Online is, that it is better then total influence and gunrox, then I'm fine Smile

In those games you cannot crouch/run, so on browsergames it is not standard! Thats why I'm happy already, cause JAO leaves a damn good impression on me!

Even the GFX are looking better than in JA BIA! Because i don't like neon color marker surrounding my mercs and i don't need full 3D when there is no destructible environment or a good camera movement with an option to hide treetops...

So hell yes, JAO is my game!

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #277972]

Sat, 16 April 2011 07:03

Kaerar

Messages:2022
Registered:January 2003
Location: Australia :D

Actually full 3D is beneficial for ballistics more than anything. Making sprites is also more time consuming than animation of 3D avatars, again performance boost for 3D over 2D. Also there are a few 3D engines about that allow 3D in browser without serious performance issues. Here's to hoping Smile

I'm hoping there is a 3D engine powering this, and that the mechanics are enough to cope with relatively good ballistic calculations (so enough weapon variables to not end up like Call of Duty's lame attempt).

The only thing that is a little worrying to me is the linear nature hinted at by the 100 missions mention. I know it's where Jagged Alliance has it's roots but I also much prefer the non-linear game that Jagged Alliance 2 became (not Unfinished Business).

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Lieutenant

Re: First Screenshots![message #278168]

Mon, 18 April 2011 23:58

primetide

Messages:74
Registered:March 2011

Kaerar

Actually full 3D is beneficial for ballistics more than anything.
I'm hoping there is a 3D engine powering this, and that the mechanics are enough to cope with relatively good ballistic calculations (so enough weapon variables to not end up like Call of Duty's lame attempt).

The only thing that is a little worrying to me is the linear nature hinted at by the 100 missions mention. I know it's where Jagged Alliance has it's roots but I also much prefer the non-linear game that Jagged Alliance 2 became (not Unfinished Business).

We are using Unity 3D, so yes, we have a full 3D engine, although some of the finer modern visual effects will be missing due to performance restraints in the browser.

Missions does not mean linear - it just means that there are several areas of conflict (we call them contracts) you can chose from and some of them unlock through progress (but then you didn't attack the Palace with your initial team in JA2, I would assume)

[Updated on: Mon, 18 April 2011 23:59] by Moderator

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Corporal

Re: First Screenshots![message #278181]

Tue, 19 April 2011 02:29

Peal

Messages:259
Registered:August 2007
Location: Germany

So we do have an map with sectors like in JA2, or more a landscape with some Icons like in Hired Guns?

Are you working for gamigo or bitComposer? I was just wondering, because we never heard from gamigo any news on the project, expect this facebook page. But if i rub my nose, it feels like there will be a big update on the JAO section of the site very soon Smile

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Master Sergeant

Re: First Screenshots![message #278192]

Tue, 19 April 2011 11:42

primetide

Messages:74
Registered:March 2011

Peal

So we do have an map with sectors like in JA2, or more a landscape with some Icons like in Hired Guns?

Are you working for gamigo or bitComposer? I was just wondering, because we never heard from gamigo any news on the project, expect this facebook page. But if i rub my nose, it feels like there will be a big update on the JAO section of the site very soon

We have a world map (remember, there needs to be plenty of space for new missions in an online game) and on this are "contract" symbols, which will then give you a mission screen where you select the missions for that contract.

We are working for gamigo (we used to work for bc, but then gamigo directly took the lead for the online game). And I am sufre they will do more once we are closer to the release- browser games usually do not have the same lead in time as offline games regarding PR and marketing

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Corporal