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Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18682] Tue, 29 October 2002 21:58 Go to next message
Sweeper is currently offline Sweeper

 
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I did a search on the net and dug a little, and look here.
AIM competitor
This is a mercenary company like AIM.
However, they do not claim it officially but they are known to have activities in Sierra Leone. And they have what you can say, suspicous positions availible in the company.
There real name is Military Professional Resources, Inc (MPRI).

Here is an other pointer Pointer

look at theese and you see the same connections as me... Mercenaries are like AIM.
There are also suspcted to be Russian parts selling firm that hires out pilots to countries that pay great money, Really big money in a war.
So my friends, interesting huh?

Also here is an super pointer and a spoiler Here!

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18683] Wed, 30 October 2002 04:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Fu Manchu is currently offline Fu Manchu

 
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www.sandline.com is also a good one, these guys are probably more like merceneries as they work only with governments and proper resistance groups.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18684] Thu, 31 October 2002 00:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rumors say that people was mainly hired on bars in London.
Well, this is interesting, I will dig even more.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18685] Thu, 31 October 2002 06:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think MPRI is sort of associated with the CIA, does the jobs the CIA can't.

Sandline is the same for the UK.

These two are professional, the outfits that hired out of bars were cowboy outfits the pay was lousy and no backing from above.

If anybody is think of going Merc, remember your in it for money and the company feels no loyality or responsibility for you...only to the job.

In other words your a short term employee...expendable!

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18686] Thu, 31 October 2002 08:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gee... expendable assets that take the fall for the employers. I'd better go do something safe, where I wont be thrown to the wolves and have public sympathy. I'll go to Enron.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18687] Thu, 31 October 2002 12:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Very Happy

But there is a bit of difference between being thrown to the wolves in the US and a third world country!

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18688] Thu, 31 October 2002 13:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I strongly doubt being a merc is as glamorous as it sounds. Probally sucks ass.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18689] Thu, 31 October 2002 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, I don't know, you get to go to such interesting places, meet such interesting people, kill them or be killed by them.

Then theres the issues of money, food, supplies, weapons, and all of the other fun logistical problems to deal with. Not to mention weather, bugs and other wildlife, corrupt governments, disease, manpower issues, etc.

It would beat charterd accountancy.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18690] Thu, 31 October 2002 18:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is one in Austria I can't remember the name of it.
Thoose on bars was very easy on experience, MPRI had pilots in Sierra Leone too, His name was in SOF magazine. He flew a russian Hind. Too bad this Operation Days work here in Norway goes to MPRI and thoose corps...
No I am not supporting it, going merc is only for the money and experience, I posted this mostly to show that AIM like corps exist, Does AIM show careig for deaths? No just a mail and removal, nothing else, nobody talks.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18691] Fri, 01 November 2002 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My comments were not directed at you.

Just trying to let some who may have thought that a Mercs life is something to write home about know it ain't!

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18692] Sat, 02 November 2002 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First off - great site, I've lurked for less than 1 day before joining, a new record.
Played JA-DG and JA2 on and off over the years - haven't finished JA2 yet (my nom de guerre is quite relevant... kids want to play Reader Rabbit, wife rejects concept of war toys as character building).
Try a websearch for "private military companies" - you'll get a hit for UK parliament "Green Paper" which seems to propose consideration of hiring mercs for cost control purposes - also in the appendices, a summary of recent mercenary engagements (Sandline, EO, etc.) - nothing to do with the game itself, but interesting nonetheless - life imitating art, etc.
So far in the game, I've come to know Drassen extremely well, explored San Mona and Chitzena, but that's pretty much it.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18693] Sun, 03 November 2002 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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abradley: If you were refering to my post, I was being sarcastic. I don't think going out and getting killed or maimed for lousy money and no good reason would be fun at all.

Back on topic I hope, Richard Marcinko, the author of the Rouge Warrior series, has or had a company called SOS Temps Inc. Among other things he would train corporate security and Mercs. I dont think the web site (www.sostemps.com) works anymore, but look up the Rouge Warrior site on www.simonsays.com (publisher). There is a link to his own site among other things.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18694] Tue, 12 November 2002 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Something on BBC about Mercs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2403517.stm

The wages they mention seem high for run of the mill Mercc.

My experience was I could hire out as a everyday ET for more then a Merc ET or grunt. This was back in the 70's.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18695] Wed, 13 November 2002 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Whatever the market will bear, I guess...
I assume that the anonymous source was referring to mercenaries with a little management skill.
If you are a business-school educated CEO, what do you know about hiring thugs to protect your wealth? So, hire this guy who comes with the knowledge, contacts and expertise to do that for you. $100 - 200 k for a year's work could clear up a lot of "problems" for some of these companies... These companies have plenty of high-priced boys in the boardrooms that probably do much less for the company's "bottom line" than these "specialists" (mercenaries).

It's truly a bargain for these companies that don't give a damn about their public image. :sadyellow:
I can't say that I approve of their means, but I am sure that I benefit from their greed in some small way as a consumer... or is it that I share in their kharmic debt? interesting...

Thanks for the article. Smile

I think I'll keep waiting for the aliens, though... [alien]

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18696] Thu, 14 November 2002 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gallagher:
Whatever the market will bear, I guess...
I assume that the anonymous source was referring to mercenaries with a little management skill.
If you are a business-school educated CEO, what do you know about hiring thugs to protect your wealth? So, hire this guy who comes with the knowledge, contacts and expertise to do that for you. $100 - 200 k for a year's work could clear up a lot of "problems" for some of these companies... These companies have plenty of high-priced boys in the boardrooms that probably do much less for the company's "bottom line" than these "specialists" (mercenaries).

It's truly a bargain for these companies that don't give a damn about their public image. :sadyellow:
I can't say that I approve of their means, but I am sure that I benefit from their greed in some small way as a consumer... or is it that I share in their kharmic debt? interesting...

Thanks for the article. Smile

I think I'll keep waiting for the aliens, though... [alien]
I don't know what articles you are thanking for but the alien idea is possible....
Dug a little on the links at a goverment page and found proof of that the goverment denies that a missile downed a TWA jumbo even if they have witnesses and damage indications saying the opposite... Maybe I can find more... digging time.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18697] Fri, 29 November 2002 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fighting has broken out in three towns along the frontline in Ivory Coast, ending a six-week-old truce between the government and rebels.
The BBC's West Africa correspondent Paul Welsh says the army has gone into battle with mercenaries and new helicopter gunships, which it brought into the country during the ceasefire period.{snip}

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2523625.stm

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18698] Fri, 29 November 2002 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by Sweeper the mercenary:
I don't know what articles you are thanking for but the alien idea is possible...
I was referring to abrabley's link to a BBC article in the post above my original. I also thank him for his latest info. Smile

Some people think calling Santa's sleigh a UFO is pretty funny. I do not find this amusing at all. They're out there. [alien]

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18699] Fri, 29 November 2002 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fighting has broken out in three towns along the frontline in Ivory Coast, ending a six-week-old truce between the government and rebels.
The BBC's West Africa correspondent Paul Welsh says the army has gone into battle with mercenaries and new helicopter gunships, which it brought into the country during the ceasefire period.{snip}

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2523625.stm
Some rather interesting reading material... Go mercs go! Wonder where they come from.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18700] Tue, 07 December 2004 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 16 April 2004 Sandline International announced the closure of the company's operations.

The general lack of governmental support for Private Military Companies willing to help end armed conflicts in places like Africa, in the absence of effective international intervention, is the reason for this decision. Without such support the ability of Sandline to make a positive difference in countries where there is widespread brutality and genocidal behaviour is materially diminished.

Email Sandline International at info@sandline.com

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18701] Tue, 07 December 2004 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From what I had heard those Mercs in Sierra Leone just packed up and left for Iraq, since that's where the contracts were.

Machiavelli allready advised against the use of Mercs when it comes to defending/capturing a nation.

"The mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness, either by oppressing you, who are their master, or others contrary to your intentions; but if the captain is not skilful, you are ruined in the usual way."

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18702] Tue, 07 December 2004 05:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's heartwarming how an Italian could have been so wise :king: .

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18703] Wed, 29 December 2004 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I read about a mercenary company in a magazine. The president in the country hired them to take over a certain area or something like that. The opposicion lost 500.000 soldiers. the mercenarys...1. Price = 25 million USD. The article also mentioned a notorious mercenary general who went under the name "major mike". I kinda got a smile on my face when I read that.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18704] Wed, 29 December 2004 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yea, there's a South African based company that was very successful in the 90s. It's similarity to A.I.M. is pretty striking including the somewhat altruistic assignments they accepted.

I believe they took on assignments that were not likely give them a bad name with the world community. This was most likely more for buiseness reasons than any desire to do the right thing. Nevertheless they were expelled from both of the countries I heard about because
a) they were mercenaries
b) some of their ranks were rumoured to be Aparthidists.

That's a shame since from what I heard they were really doing the region a lot of good while they were active. One of the countries was Sierra Leone and since they left things are back to bloody normal.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18705] Wed, 29 December 2004 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Major Hoare is the "Mike" you talk about...

"Mad Mike" was his nickname. That guy was a good strategist, but an expert trainer and combat leader...

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18706] Thu, 24 February 2005 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Enter Colonel (retired) Tim Spicer, the CEO of Sandlines, a U.K. based security, and Executive Outcomes (run by Chairman Nick van der Berg). Now it seems that EO had invented the equivalent of a Visa card for cash-strapped Third World countries that had rebel problems. He would take your collateral and get a piece of the mining action (or be paid by the mining company direct) in exchange for training and liberation services. In PNG's case about $46 million worth."

If that isn't the basis for JA2 then I don't know what is. Comes from http://www.comebackalive.com/df/military/kingclub.htm though, so I don't know how accurate the info is. Happened in Papa New Guinea in 1996.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18707] Tue, 08 March 2005 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember reading about one South African company... something with "solutions" in the name, anyway they fought in several african conflicts and they were backed by the government and oilcompanies Shell and Aral against the locals... so much for freeing the opressed.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18708] Tue, 08 March 2005 04:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Executive Outcomes is probably what your thinking of

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18709] Wed, 06 April 2005 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Extremely interesting. Note, however this only supports my contention that the insertion of a team to overthrow a government / train insurgents / whatever is extremely expensive. You just don't do it on $30,000.00. Thirty million dollars, now that's possible. Numerous posts on this point previously, but the articles and data above are fairly conclusive. Only well-funded merc organizations commit to serious actions. This means they can access serious weaponry, too. Game and mod designers - take note. This is how it's really done. Cease with the silly "go-get-them-with-this-p-38-can-opener-and-let-me-know-when-you've-conquored-the-country" stuff. Ditto for the ammo. In UC (love the mod. Love it!) a charge of $150.00 for 30 rounds of 5.56 is absolutely stupid. That's $5.00 per shot. You can get .50 caliber ammo at any commercial operation for $1.00 per shot. And 5.56 must be the first or second most widely used caliber in the world... I'd bet you $1.00 that the merc companies shell out more money for satellite photos, electronic intel and field intel than they do for weaponry anyway. But if you were a merc, would you go with less than a full kit and state-of-the-art gear? Heck, no! You'd take every advantage you could get. And your shots, too! Smile

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18710] Thu, 07 April 2005 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In UC (love the mod. Love it!) a charge of $150.00 for 30 rounds of 5.56 is absolutely stupid.
Indeed. For the same price I could pick up 900 rounds of SS109 . That works out to sixteen cents a cartridge. I'm sure a military organization could get cheaper, 'specially for bulk orders.

But then, UC is a game(a really fun game) and if 5.56mm ammo cost so little the M4A1 and SAW would pwn all. No challenge if you can get a ton of ammo for that new supershutzenboomeren rifle. The lack of ammo makes some weapons all the sweeter...

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18711] Fri, 08 April 2005 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then we need to make a Realism Mod, which would have MAX number of enemies in each sector, but ammo really cheap. Cause lets face it, only ten guys gaurding a town? Not real...

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18712] Fri, 08 April 2005 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, but also not "real" to have a group of 6 trying to take and hold that much real estate either. The only way they could do such a thing is with massive force multiplyers - like SAWs with unlimited ammo! Smile I've always enjoyed JA2 as a "small group vs. small group" or limited-target game. Let's face it. You put six people up against a company that has any idea of what's going on and that little squad is toast. So JA isn't really a "war" game to my way of thinking. It's more a "special forces" type of game. Spec Ops don't try to take and hold real estate. Their job is to get in, train resistors, disrupt, harass, and interfere with the occupying force, blow up things which cause more damage to the occupiers than to the residents, sometimes to assassinate, kidnap or intimidate officials, and generally reduce the occupier's ability to control the situation. Now here's the best part: how are special forces operations different from "terrorist" actions?

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18713] Mon, 11 April 2005 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey A guy i work with left work and joined a merc group now called a "private security force" and went to Iraq for a one year contract. Hes getting 153,000 bucks for one years work, plus room and board. not bad for a ex-marine with a fake hip. hehe

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18714] Mon, 11 April 2005 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then we need to make a Realism Mod, which would have MAX number of enemies in each sector, but ammo really cheap. Cause lets face it, only ten guys gaurding a town? Not real...
How much realism do you want? Several mods are already fairly realistic in tactics and weaponry. But to make the game as a whole more realistic would require change more than that. Mercenaries are normally employed for two things. The first being a specific task, often requiring well trained soldiers or special skills(often covert missions such as assassination). The second is training other troops. With the exception of some situations, like Sierra Leone, mercenaries aren't the main fighting force of an army.

And even Executive Outcomes used local soldiers, though they formed the "core" of the army. And they had 100-150 mercs in the country plus some 20 helicopters. Most players have six to eighteen men and one chopper lacking weapons of any sort.

The red shirts probably have little training, possibly the member of some two-bit gang attached to the person in power. A yellow shirt would be a regular soldier, decent amount of training but still not a real professional. A grey shirt would be an elite fighter or at least on par with the soldiers of the major powers today. A mercenary force like that in JA2 would be able to cut through the red and yellow shirts pretty easily. But a small core of grey shirts with support from red/yellows would be something else.

Realism is nice. In fact I crave realism more than most players. The thought of firearms and tools requiring parts if they break, supply lines, and food and water requirements would make most strategy players cringe. It makes me hot and heavy(Just kidding, but not far from the truth). But some elements of unrealism are present in all games. And JA2 would suck if the mercenaries were employed "realistically."

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18715] Mon, 11 April 2005 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most merc's in Iraq are hired for Executive Security... but yeah the game would suck if you followed Enrico around trying to take a bullet for him.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18716] Tue, 12 April 2005 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tactics win battles. Logistics win wars.

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18717] Tue, 12 April 2005 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Couldn't agree with you more...

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #18718] Wed, 13 April 2005 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tactics win battles. Logistics win wars.
"Amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics."

http://www.logisticsworld.com/logistics/quotations.htm

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Re: Mercenaries... REAL life companies like AIM![message #365834 is a reply to message #18682] Mon, 27 November 2023 18:02 Go to previous message
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Only if AIM was doing the Reitman regime's dirty work.

It is not impossible for individual mercenaries to end up on the right side of history... it has happened.

But there's a good reason there's no real-life equivalents to AIM or the A-Team - the people with the luxurious funding are never the good guys (or even the "lesser evil" side).

In fact, why "The Company" would allow a merc outfit that is (mostly) staffed by US citizens to interfere with one of it's fascist achievements in it's own back yard is something that the bare-bones plot doesn't even attempt to tackle.

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