The Bears Pit: JA2 Renegade Republik » RR and new inventory and xml editor

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OLDNOOOB

I just tried to use SV's many mercs 005 exe and ini but it still won't run so I will try to contact him when he comes on line and ask him what to do.

what won't run? the xml editor or SV's exe?

of course the editor won't make a difference if you have SV's exe. But try using SV's exe and ja2options.ini with this patched RR, it *should* be possible to run the game with the many mercs exe's.

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #191987]

Mon, 28 July 2008 01:53

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

yea I know, but remember my handle "oldnooob" spelled with three ooo's!

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192010]

Mon, 28 July 2008 08:10

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Well I finally succeed! I started from scratch and created a complete new install and everything works. yes, everything. here are some important notes to pass on to others.%

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192011]

Mon, 28 July 2008 08:10

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Well I finally succeed! I started from scratch and created a complete new install and everything works. yes, everything. here are some important notes to pass on to others.

1. in order for this patch to work you must start with a new installation because the XMls are not compatable for very long. todays xmls will not necessarily be usable a month from now. note: I kept wondering why I was seeing old bugs from last year when I was playing today and then it hit me that they involved old outdated xmls and that got me to wondering if the old xmls were causing my xml editor problem and they were.

2. A small bug in the xml editor right now that is easily fixed is; the data-renegade tilesets folder is incomplete. what I did was copy over the tilesets data from data-1.13 and the xml editor fired right up.

3. the map editor (I can hardly believe it actually works) displays A9 vanilla not A9RR.

4. SpaceVikings 005 many mercs exe also runs. I think I'm in heaven.

So I'm off to start a new game ta!

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192012]

Mon, 28 July 2008 09:10

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Registered:February 2006
Location: Scotland

WOW ! 5 posts eh ? you ARE excited :biglaugh: , glad it's going , you been up all night? ( early morning here )my install was over an existing one from about a month maybe , you can see by posts when , so not sure it has to be new install , actually I just wanted to try out quickly , if it hadn't worked , would have joined you in frustrated club Very Happy

Captain

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192031]

Mon, 28 July 2008 12:52

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Registered:September 2004
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as the moderator, i should delete the identical postings, but screw it, this part of the forum certainly isn't where we overload the post counts Very Happy

anyway oldnoob, can you spell out to me more exactly point 1 and 2?

point 1: the patch should contain all necessary xml's. Which ones of them were outdated?

point 2: do you have a specific error message? lockie reported smp2items to be missing and i added it to the patch. what else was reported missing?

copying the tileset/0 stuff from 1.13 to RR might cause some weird looking small items.

well, for the map editor to work, you can try the following: copy-paste the folder "data-renegade/maps" from "data-renegade" to "data". See the map editor is a bit of a screwjob. in the past it did load from custom data location but apparently not anymore

beware, doing so will make the RR maps default, so if you want to revert to normal maps, you'll have to rename or delete that folder i just mentioned.

have fun! hope you like after all that hassle.

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192037]

Mon, 28 July 2008 14:20

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Registered:February 2006
Location: Scotland

Quote:

well, for the map editor to work, you can try the following: copy-paste the folder "data-renegade/maps" from "data-renegade" to "data". See the map editor is a bit of a screwjob. in the past it did load from custom data location but apparently not anymore

beware, doing so will make the RR maps default, so if you want to revert to normal maps, you'll have to rename or delete that folder i just mentioned.

why would you want to install 'other maps' to a test situation ? Of course when modding new stuff yourself , but existing new maps ? Maybe I'm misunderstanding (probably Very Happy

Captain

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192051]

Mon, 28 July 2008 15:59

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these aren't other maps. his map editor seems to load vanilla maps, not RR maps

my assumption is, it loads the map not from custom data location (RR) but from /data

so if he wants to try editing the RR maps (why not, we wanted to support the xml editor, but that's not worth shit without the map editor, so...) placing them into the /data folder might help.

However, being happy that things work the way they do, oldnooob probably doesn't want to change things any further Very Happy

at least i wouldn't if i were in his situation of multiple installation attempts but not everyone is a coward as i am Smile

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192079]

Mon, 28 July 2008 17:58

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

please delete the multiple posts. I use a public network and this particular one is screwed up.

point 1. 8 month old install = 8 month old XMLS that

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192103]

Mon, 28 July 2008 18:12

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

please delete the multiple posts. I use a public network and this particular one is screwed up.

point 1. 8 month old install = 8 month old XMLS that are not compatable with current patches. to be more clear I believe I am speaking about 1.13 xmls not RR xmls. hey i don't know what I'm talking about. but there has been a lot of talk lately about incompatable xmls and that led to my conclusion.

point 2. "editor cannot load missing data-renegade\tilesets\0\smguns.sti" patches were installed in the order received 1,2,3, the xml editor told me where to look. the tileset folder only contained one file. data-1.13 tileset folder had four files so I just copyed over the other three. if thats not correct please tell me what to do.

I have copyed maps as you suggest sucessfully in the past and I will do that today.

And yes, I am on the nite shift haha I live on the washington and oregon coast in a travel trailer and I stay in "rv" parks within sight of the pacific ocean which put us on the other side of the world from each other.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192118]

Mon, 28 July 2008 19:10

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Location: CH

okay

i deleted your multiposts. Don't be mad at me if i say "please refrain from posting from that weird network"

you may send me emails because i can delete more than one email at a time in case emails duplicate themselves as well Very Happy

as for the rr/tilesets/0 thing only containing one single file, this looks very wrong. After the patch is installed, there should be 8 files.

but the 4 you copied from 1.13 will do the trick as well, as the other 4 files are more cosmetic than anything else. so all clear for now, there were some iles mssing in your RR install, things like that happen.

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192126]

Mon, 28 July 2008 19:23

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

please delete the multiple posts. I use a public network and this particular one is screwed up.

point 1. 8 month old install = 8 month old XMLS that

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192127]

Mon, 28 July 2008 19:26

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Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

lol what the hell is that, are you running a spambot of sorts or what?

;-D

please post something in MM's sections too :-/

*edit*

i locked this thread. Hope whatever spams the same message hundred times will be stopped hat way.

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192861]

Mon, 04 August 2008 22:11

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Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

so, the thread is unlocked again

please everybody who uses the RR to NIV patch should update to the latest RR to NIV patch because there are some animations that were previously missing. You'll require them to fire mortars and comparable explosives.

No new game required, just some more files.

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192935]

Wed, 06 August 2008 00:13

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Has anyone noticed any problem with headwear? I have not been able to use the helmet for storage lately.

details: RR all patches, many mercs 005

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192975]

Wed, 06 August 2008 12:50

PFM

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Registered:July 2006
Location: Czech Republic

Hi Scorpion.

I don't know where to post it, so move my post if necessary

I found some bugs in XML files - all quick fixes. The one is related to the helmet and face items. In CompatibleFaceItems.xml entries with 0 (zero) must be deleted! Otherwise you will have problems to define compatible wearable face items for example sun googles and extended ears. XML Editor can't delete "zero entries". Also walkman should be FACE item not MISCELLANEOUS I think.

And loadscreens is missing RR_Nighttown2.sti

Bobby Ray don't sell a lot of items - is it a purpose. For example he is almost useless to buy LBE items. He also don't sell lot of armours

I found that combining Compound-18 with Twaron armour(helmet, vest and pants) will result in LBE items. Spectra turns to be treated or coated spectra - I'm not sure

[Updated on: Wed, 06 August 2008 12:51] by Moderator

Private 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #192995]

Wed, 06 August 2008 17:38

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Thanks PFM you have found the issue I was trying to describe. You have brought new life to the RR project at yust the right time. thank you very much.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193000]

Wed, 06 August 2008 17:58

PFM

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Registered:July 2006
Location: Czech Republic

To make a helmet capable of carrying NVG for example, just check attachment attribute in NVG and in items lines type "a helmet". Clear?

Scorpion, some LBE vests aren't recognized as vests but as a thigh packs. Can you look at them and correct them?

[Updated on: Wed, 06 August 2008 17:59] by Moderator

Private 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193010]

Wed, 06 August 2008 19:10

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Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

when reporting bugs please be accurate enough so i don't have to go through anything again.

i remember fixing the issues about compatible items and merges. How the hell have the reappeared?

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193058]

Wed, 06 August 2008 21:41

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Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

omg that peice of trash called xml editor shuffles the indexes around on its own. O man is that a fucking peice of crap. No wonder we get those stupid mismatches. it annoys the crap out of me.

i'll upload another patch in the hope that running the xml editor won't fuck it up again Smile

and you can use it savely.

please report any other issues in enough detail so i can fix it. Then there'll soon be no more support for the xml editor. Sorry, i do have some minimal standards at which i want to work and the xml editor is inacceptable in its current state.

i also deleted a bunch of wrong merges. I can't understand how the added dozens if not hundreds of retarded pointless merges into those files. *shudder*

okay. compatible face items was hardly ever touched by me. I think i have it fixed now though, let's do the test...

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193066]

Wed, 06 August 2008 22:24

Pax

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Registered:July 2008

Don't know if this is general or specific to RR-NIV:

Sectors D14 and D15 have positioning problems on rooftops. D14: Soldierds dying on their feet,this happened neer the middle of the bulding but on the south ledge.

D15: Merc standing but the moving curser shows them in a crawl posotion. This happened in the middle and east part of the roof on the south ledge.

Cheers,
Pax

Private

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193068]

Wed, 06 August 2008 22:34

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Location: CH

both of this is exe related. i don't know about the 2124 exe's special bugs so i assume its one of these

guys the next patch is up. since i don't test myself, keep the feedback coming

those of you who have seriously modified your xml's will have to make manual corrections of the things that really bother you though.

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193075]

Wed, 06 August 2008 23:27

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Hi HO Here we go! I'll put in the last two (complete) patches and start over. I might as well as I am currently getting my ass kicked at drassen mine. and i am just trying to take it the first time! at least two if not three reinforcement (battalions) squads. what fun!

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193107]

Thu, 07 August 2008 12:06

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Registered:February 2006
Location: Scotland

yup , drassen mine a bitch , no problems gameplaywise , leaving editor alone !!
as for death /roof glitches , shoot em again , then they fall !

Captain

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193124]

Thu, 07 August 2008 17:13

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Lokie, smart move with the xml editor. this last week I have reinstalled at least seven times because of that piece of crap. But all in a day's fun eh?

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193125]

Thu, 07 August 2008 17:23

SpaceViking

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Registered:January 2004
Location: Rochester, Minnesota, USA

Hint: you don't have to use "the" XML editor. You can use any text editor to edit XML files.

First Sergeant

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193130]

Thu, 07 August 2008 17:54

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Thanks for the hint SpaceViking. the ja2 map editor, when it works, displays in an excel type format which is clear and easy to use. At times when I have tried to view xml files they display in another format that I do not understand and apparently require knowledge and additional information to be used.

An example of this is when Last month I was having a problem and star was offering help by telling me to lookup and verify a certain xml. man, I went around in circles for days trying to follow his suggestions. It all just looked ""greek" to me.

I have the microsoft xml viewer program, and my default is open office. I have also used notepad or word pad I can't remember) as well. and maybe others.

I am having a lot more success lately with Scorpion's help. the jsd file for example. But I hope someone will find a way to stabilize and even separate the xml editor so it will not be so sensitive to updates and other changes but simply absorb them and integrate them. I'm probably not making sense now.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193215]

Fri, 08 August 2008 07:44

Pax

Messages:16
Registered:July 2008

Death roof glitches:

Yes shooting them ot hitting them works on roofs, but not on balconies in RR.
In fact, if they die on their feet on a balcony, it is impossible to hit them again from the ground, with bullets, knives or fists. In order to end play in the sector you need a cheat.

This happened to me in Suchmi (BTW is the "ch" pronounced as "SH" or the more dangereous "K" there?) Smile

anyways, that would be B3 (I think) the building south-east. Balcony facing east. If the soldier is "dying" but doesn't fall, you can't target him again or reach him AFAIK...

Still, a very interesting mod.

Pax

Private

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193222]

Fri, 08 August 2008 12:26

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Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

i assume this problem to be gone in a different exe. look for 1.13 bugfix release notes and use exe's that don' have his problem.

what about lobbing a grenade onto the balcony?

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193226]

Fri, 08 August 2008 14:57

Pax

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Registered:July 2008

Most recent exe.
Grenades? Damn. Why didn't I think of that. Smile

Pax

Private

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193260]

Fri, 08 August 2008 21:34

Messages:539
Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

Wenn run ja2 RR b17.exe, i get an error: Cant find fmod.dll.
Need install again.
Why is this missing.
I just follow the readme file.
Have Ja2 & 1.13 installed.

First Sergeant

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193276]

Fri, 08 August 2008 22:07

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

just grab it from your SVN files (c\program files\svn)

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193278]

Fri, 08 August 2008 22:09

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Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

Dont have a SVN folder.
Just installed with "JA2_v1.13_Release_(EN)_[1.0.0.2085].exe"
Did a search and found it somewhere else.
Now he ask for smackw32.dll.
Do i miss somemore files?
Well i get a black screen only Sad

[Updated on: Fri, 08 August 2008 22:13] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193283]

Fri, 08 August 2008 22:17

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Registered:September 2004
Location: CH

you misinstalled big time

install again and do it the way the read me sais.

ja2, 1.13, rr, patches.

Sergeant Major

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193284]

Fri, 08 August 2008 22:22

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Scorpion, would it be possible to combine all the patches into one at some point?

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193286]

Fri, 08 August 2008 22:37

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Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

What patches.
I reinstalled JA2
Installed 1.13
Copy: RR
Copy: RR to NIV Patch
Stil lthe same errors.

Edit:
I made a folder to much in JA2 folder Sad

Works now.

[Updated on: Fri, 08 August 2008 22:42] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193288]

Fri, 08 August 2008 22:48

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Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

I'm sure Scorpion will follow with better directions but in the meantime you might look in the ja2 main folder and change the INI setting to data-renegade (save). then one thing that I do is to move the data-renegade folder from the rr folder to the ja2 folder. then run the game from the 2124exe in the ja2 folder.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193292]

Fri, 08 August 2008 23:07

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Registered:September 2006
Location: Netherlands

Well i have messed up the items & weapons & armor.
Twaron Helmet on leggings postition and much more strange things.
I overwrite the xml's
Just run a test in novice with 3 top merc 1 day to see what armor & weapons they have.

Installed all again with the patch and test.
All ok.
Now with patch again messed up.
Didnt modified anything.
How come?
I checked the editor and th SWAT vest has CLASS: Leggings.

And much more.

Using hotfix and transfer money causing crash

[Updated on: Sat, 09 August 2008 00:27] by Moderator

First Sergeant

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193299]

Sat, 09 August 2008 00:26

Messages:244
Registered:May 2007
Location: Aberdeen Washington USA

Ok, renegade republic "vanilla" runs with b17 or b24.5. renegade republic NIV runs with 2124exe. If you don't have 2124 then you did not install correctly.

Lets review; load in this order, ja2, 1.13. at this point i would suggest start the game to make sure of good install. then install renegade republic, right click, unzip to c:\program files\strategy first\Jagged Alliance 2. Now open folder Jagged Alliance 2 and you should see at least two exes. one of which will be B17. start game with this EXE. If that is good then load any patches you may have . the order should be, addition1, faces, hotfix1, NIV patch. NOTE: these all expand to JA2 main directory.

I hope this is helpful.

Sergeant 1st Class

Re: RR and new inventory and xml editor[message #193300]

Sat, 09 August 2008 00:45

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Registered:February 2006
Location: Scotland

well , shit ma breeks man , if you and I can install oldnoob , keerist ANYONE can Very Happy