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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330437]

Sat, 08 February 2014 16:25

Tox

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Location: www.webcodesign.de

ok, that makes things clearer Smile

thanks!

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330448]

Sun, 09 February 2014 04:15

Hawkeye

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Registered:October 2005
Location: Australia

I think the main issue is JSD's and Sti's are too unrelated, one is working in 3D the other 2D. Offsets generally work from the centre of the image (I hope I'm correct in saying that) while JSD's tend to work from a corner of the first tile structure. If there was some visual indicator in either a JSD edtior of Sti Editor it would help.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330466]

Sun, 09 February 2014 11:26

Maalstroom

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Registered:December 2008
Location: en route to San Hermanos

Tox it just came to me - include the option to load 2 Stis at once. for example a merc with a gun and a box so some one can can draw a bipod for the mounted gun, or a merc and an enemy so some one can draw Hth moves better - you'll know what you've hit and where.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330469]

Sun, 09 February 2014 12:00

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

that is basically the idea I call "simulated in-game environment". although I didn't consider loading other mercs or items - would be a nice addition Smile

[Updated on: Sun, 09 February 2014 12:00] by Moderator

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330483]

Sun, 09 February 2014 23:21

Maalstroom

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Location: en route to San Hermanos

and one should also be able to load textures to add to your 3d walls which would be nice if you could export them as individual stis.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330492]

Mon, 10 February 2014 12:25

Tox

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Maalstroom

and one should also be able to load textures to add to your 3d walls which would be nice if you could export them as individual stis.

you mean exporting the individual wall pieces with textures as STI, correct?

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330494]

Mon, 10 February 2014 14:58

Maalstroom

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Registered:December 2008
Location: en route to San Hermanos

yes, that's exactly what I mean.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330495]

Mon, 10 February 2014 15:23

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

my idea was to provide presets for the different types of walls used in JA2. defining textures for the side fills would allow one to create all the different types of walls with the same textures, so you could build your own set of walls in a multi page STI, for example.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330542]

Wed, 12 February 2014 11:59

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

And here's the campaign: http://igg.me/at/ja2sti/x/6304522 - help to make this baby happen! Smile

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330605]

Sat, 15 February 2014 03:14

Wspek

Messages:16
Registered:May 2011
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

I've been enjoying 1.13 mods for the longest time, but I have no skills to give anything back. I'm just glad I finally got a chance to do something.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330607]

Sat, 15 February 2014 06:07

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

Dank je wel Smile

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330615]

Sat, 15 February 2014 14:33

Shanga

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Registered:January 2000
Location: Danubia

Gotta say I am proud of the our bears, having reached 40% initial funding in just a few days. The advanced editor is definitely on the horizon now and if I was you Tox I'd postpone any vacation plans Razz

... hehehe

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330617]

Sat, 15 February 2014 14:51

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

good thing I didn't make any yet Very Happy

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330619]

Sat, 15 February 2014 16:10

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

awesome, 45% already Smile

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330635]

Sun, 16 February 2014 06:21

Hawkeye

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Registered:October 2005
Location: Australia

Tox

ok, that makes things clearer thanks!

Here's the current situation with what info and visual feedback we're getting from different programs:

Sti Editor - With offsets as values, no visiual indication of offsets, though any visible working grid would help (such as in your package)

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z360/_Hawkeye/Sav_Sti_zps38c4fae0.gif

JSD Editor (Net editor/Pipetz editor) - JSD structures have visible indicators (the green and blue blocks) and visible Sti graphics, but nothing visually to tie the two together.

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z360/_Hawkeye/Sav_JSDi_zpsd8339104.gif

Graphics in map editor - No visual indictators of structures, just immediate postitioning visible such as the offset, but without adding grids or in this example flooring and crates do modders get an idea what positioning is being used in game and what are the structures boundaries. It's quite trial and error.

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z360/_Hawkeye/Sav_Editor_zps74c7e923.gif

As requested, if the Sti Editor had some visual indication of structures that update to the sti's offsets that would be of huge help. Here's a sort of mock up showing the basic JSD tiles/cubes (but not the collision/bounding boxes included. For that you'd need to cross reference those blocks visible in the JSD editor)

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z360/_Hawkeye/savcombo_zpsff0e644a.gif

It would also be a huge help if JSD editors had this same visual feedback or overlays of the Sti image over the JSD structures, but that's a whole new program/argument.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330645]

Sun, 16 February 2014 20:35

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

Ah, very useful. thanks! Smile

And thanks to all the backers so far, 66% are already funded. You're great, guys! Smile

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330678]

Tue, 18 February 2014 16:49

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

and 75% passed :laugh:

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #330714]

Wed, 19 February 2014 20:15

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

And the Basic Editor is funded! Thank you all! Smile

But don't stop now, the campaign still has 24 days left, spread the word - there's still the more advanced versions up for grabs!

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #331002]

Mon, 03 March 2014 17:42

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_Viewer_v0.1.6_Alpha.png

Screenshot of v0.1.6 alpha

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Annd here's a by-product of my research into the STI/JSD formats: a custom build of JA2 1.13 rev. 4870. This build has cheats enabled by default (so no activation cheat codes needed), adds a few new ones and enables a lot of debug info. It doesn't save logs which saves a lot of speed. I've also enabled a few of Sir-Tech's editors that weren't available in the debug or beta builds before.

Here's the exe and the list of cheats:
JA2 1.13 rev. 4870 (Cheater's Dream) - Game Exe
JA2 1.13 rev. 4870 (Cheater's Dream) - Cheats List

Greetz,

Tox

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #331172]

Tue, 11 March 2014 00:47

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

JA2STI Viewer v0.1.13 Alpha

New Features
STI Skinning
The interface is skinned using a STI file (for shapes of components) and can be colorized to your liking. You can even edit the said STI file and add your own shapes.

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_Viewer_v0.1.13_Alpha_-_STI_Skinning_3.png

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_Viewer_v0.1.13_Alpha_-_STI_Skinning_2.png

Tile Grid
A fully functional tile grid that matches JA2, internally controlled by a tile database similar to JA2. I even have a function to draw STIs on any of the tiles, which is also used to preview the STI files. This is essentially the basic engine for a simulated in-game environment.

Tile Center Markers
When enabled a cross will mark every tile's center.

Origin Guides
These show you where the viewport origin is. Optionally they can display as a ruler (like in the screenshot) or as simple lines intersecting at the origin.

Offset Guides
These show you where the offset coordinates of the STI intersect. Shown in green.

Dimension Guides
Not shown in the screenshot. They show intersecting guides at the upper left and lower right coordinates of the image.

Zooming
Ranges from 50% to 1000%. A simple double click will reset it to 100%. The tile grid and contents are scaled accordingly.

Controls
Using the mouse wheel and the SHIFT or CTRL key one can go through images or animations.
Using CTRL and dragging one can place the origin somewhere else, CTRL and double click resets it back to the viewport center.

Preferences
All settings are automatically saved when you close the app and restored when re-opening.

The Viewport Explained

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_Viewer_v0.1.13_Alpha_-_Viewport_Explained.png

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #331329]

Mon, 17 March 2014 02:35

pheloncab

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Registered:August 2004
Location: So. Cal. or texas

Double thumbs up.

Can't wait to see what the modders do once they get going with a tool like this.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #331356]

Tue, 18 March 2014 12:40

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

What a pity. One of the funders told me that Adobe scraped the Linux support after AIR 2.6.0 (currently I am targeting 3.9). I just made a build for AIR 2.6.0 but I need Linux testers (real world conditions are probably better than a VM). Please send me a PM if you are interested to test drive this baby on Linux!

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334047]

Mon, 07 July 2014 00:16

Tox

Messages:249
Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

Hey guys,

here's some new beta stuff. The basic system for drawing is taking shape.

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Changing Palette Colors
Now one can change palette colors on-the-fly with an HSB color editor.

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Line Tool No. 1
A little showcase for the line tool. Many things are done with shortcuts, most important ones are:
- x: swap colors
- right click + drag: change width and weight of the line
- left click: draw
- ctrl + alt + wheel: rotate tool

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Square Tool No. 1

greetz,

tox

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334056]

Mon, 07 July 2014 16:42

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

almost forgot, everything you paint can be undone using ctrl+z.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334057]

Mon, 07 July 2014 17:05

Deleted.

Messages:2663
Registered:December 2012
Location: Russian Federation

Tox
I see that it's possible to change color values in current palette, but will it be possible to change one color index in the image to another index without manually repainting each pixel?
Thanks =)

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334058]

Mon, 07 July 2014 17:31

Leonidas

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Registered:February 2014
Location: Germany

"Tox"

What a pity. One of the funders told me that Adobe scraped the Linux support after AIR 2.6.0 (currently I am targeting 3.9). I just made a build for AIR 2.6.0 but I need Linux testers (real world conditions are probably better than a VM). Please send me a PM if you are interested to test drive this baby on Linux!

Weeell.. *ducks* I am using Linux, but I'm in no way acquainted with this way of modding. I just could tell you if the programm can be started in a true Linux environment or not.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334061]

Mon, 07 July 2014 21:03

Tox

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Location: www.webcodesign.de

Sevenfm

Tox
I see that it's possible to change color values in current palette, but will it be possible to change one color index in the image to another index without manually repainting each pixel?
Thanks =)

you mean switching indexes? good one, haven't though of that yet, shouldn't be too hard to implement.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334062]

Mon, 07 July 2014 21:06

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

Leonidas

"Tox"
What a pity. One of the funders told me that Adobe scraped the Linux support after AIR 2.6.0 (currently I am targeting 3.9). I just made a build for AIR 2.6.0 but I need Linux testers (real world conditions are probably better than a VM). Please send me a PM if you are interested to test drive this baby on Linux!

Weeell.. *ducks* I am using Linux, but I'm in no way acquainted with this way of modding. I just could tell you if the programm can be started in a true Linux environment or not.

Unfortunately targeting 2.6.0 is just way too slow and there aren't enough Linux users to justify that. Sorry. As far as I know running the editor via WINE works.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334064]

Mon, 07 July 2014 21:27

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Registered:December 2012
Location: Russian Federation

@Tox
Yes, I mean, if you want to add sleeves for the male bodytype, you have to change arms color with pants (or vest) color indexes (I think there are 3 indexes for each color type).
But in that case you'll need not only switching index for all pixels, but maybe some kind of smart drawing tool (pencil-like) that changes one index (or 3 of them at a time) to another index (or another 3), so you can keep hands with usual pink color.

I think there should be similar index manipulating tools for photoshop, but having it in sti editor should be much more convenient.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334066]

Mon, 07 July 2014 21:54

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

Sevenfm

@Tox
Yes, I mean, if you want to add sleeves for the male bodytype, you have to change arms color with pants (or vest) color indexes (I think there are 3 indexes for each color type).
But in that case you'll need not only switching index for all pixels, but maybe some kind of smart drawing tool (pencil-like) that changes one index (or 3 of them at a time) to another index (or another 3), so you can keep hands with usual pink color.

I think there should be similar index manipulating tools for photoshop, but having it in sti editor should be much more convenient.

so, if I understand correctly you would like to be able to swap color indexes only for an area of the image instead of the whole image. kinda like "if pixel is foreground color, then swap it with the background color". correct?

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334067]

Mon, 07 July 2014 22:04

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Location: Russian Federation

Yes, I mean swap 2 indexes or even range of indexes:
If selected pixel index is in range1, replace it with index from range2 with corresponding offset.

But even for changing 1 index at a time it should simplify things for finishing existing alternate s_merc bodytypes.

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334068]

Mon, 07 July 2014 22:31

Tox

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ok, that should be doable Smile

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334096]

Tue, 08 July 2014 22:56

Thor

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Registered:February 2007
Location: Belgium

That would be really handy, indeed... Soldiers with uniforms including sleeves and/or half sleeves...

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Re: Who wants a new STI Editor?[message #334367]

Sat, 19 July 2014 23:01

Tox

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Registered:February 2000
Location: www.webcodesign.de

And some updates, hope you like 'em.

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_v0.1.37_New_Palette_Design.png

Palette design updated, now shows selected foreground and background color.

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_v0.1.37_Thumbnail_Selection.png

Thumbnail browser added, replaces the previous thumbnail bar.

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_v0.1.37_Rotated_Rect.png

Drawing with the rectangle tool using rotation.

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_v0.1.37_Wall_Full_Height.png

Want to make a wall? Use this tool.

http://www.webcodesign.de/JA2STI/JA2STI_v0.1.37_Wall_Half_Height.png

Only half the height? No problem.

The wall tools are generated from text files, so you can even make your own tools. A south west wall, for example, is defined like this:

# NO_BORDER BG FILL
 0.00	 1.50		 3.00|	11.50
 1.00	 1.00		 2.50	-0.50
 5.00	-0.50		-1.00|	 9.00
-1.00|	 9.50		 0.00|	 2.00|
 4.00|	 0.00|
 3.00|	 0.50|	 	 0.00	 10.50|
 0.00	 1.50		 0.00	 10.50|	
 
#~ FRONT FRAME TOP
 0.00	 1.50		 3.00|	11.50

#~ FRONT FRAME RIGHT
 4.00|	11.50		 4.00|	 0.00|
 
#~ FRONT FRAME BOTTOM
 3.00|	 0.50|	 	 0.00	 10.50|
 
#~ FRONT FRAME LEFT
 0.00	 1.50		 0.00	 10.50|	
 
#~ TOP FRAME
 1.00	 1.00		 2.50	-0.50
 5.00	-0.50		-1.00|	 9.00
-1.00|	 9.50		 3.50|	11.50 

#~ RIGHT FRAME
 0.00|	 9.50		 0.00|	 2.00|
 4.00|	 0.00|

Each instance of "#" or "!" starts a new polygon, each instance of "#~", "!~", "#-" and "!-" starts a path. The following entries are pairs of x- and y-coordinates. If a coordinate is followed by "|" it is measured from the right or bottom. This way the tool definitions are independent of dimensions.

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