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Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #361809 is a reply to message #361805] Tue, 10 November 2020 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kitty

 
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Kurt wrote on Tue, 10 November 2020 17:24
... I compared the /Tilecache of my old 8796 installation (which for some reason is also still full of .JSD files) ... Unless somebody maliciously deleted my .STI files (unlikely!), the only reasonable explanation is that the game does accidentally delete them under some specific conditions: When I looked into /Tilecache after the crash, it was full with over a hundred .JSD files, but now it only contains the 14 .STI files. Meaning there must be some automatic cleanup going on, and I would think that's a good suspect.

In a plain JA2-Installation (from CD, Steam, etc.), inside Data\Tilecache should be 137 elements. Most of them .jsd and also some .sti.

All those .jsd-files you see in Data\Tilecache are therefore already there in the original JA2.

When copying the content of the SCI into the original JA2-Installation, the stuff in SCI will either just be added, or overwrite existing stuff (20 or 21 overwrites for me).

As for the SCI-files in Data\Tilecache (those 14 .sti), those will be just added. So, after copying content of SCI over original JA2, in Data\Tilecache should be 151 elements (137+14).

The .jsd-files in Data\Tilecache are untouched from original JA2-Installation.

The .jsd are defining the "structure" of .sti-graphics. The ones in Data\Tilecache probably are mostly for "structure" of dead stuff.
Like, "dead cow lying arround", give it a structure so we can't move through graphic of dead cow like it was thin air. And so on.

In short, those .jsd are needed and should be there in a full 1.13-Installation (JA2-original-Installation plus content of JA2-1.13-SCI = full 1.13-Installation).

If you miss those .jsd, my only guess is that they, for whatever reasons, are missing in your original JA2. There should be no such thing as auto-deleting files by the game (no auto-cleanup or whatever).
At least, it would be the first I heard of and I never experienced something alike.

I don't know, what's going wrong on your side, but I suggest a fresh install, starting with fresh original JA2. At least, that's what I would do with such strange things happening.



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Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #361813 is a reply to message #361809] Wed, 11 November 2020 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kurt

 
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Kitty wrote on Tue, 10 November 2020 17:39
Data\Tilecache
All right, I found what's happening!... confused

For some reason, well, most likely because I'm on Unix and letter case matters, I have in my /Data folder two (2) /Tilecache folders, or more precisely one /Tilecache and one /TILECACHE!...

Windows obviously can't tell them apart, and apparently randomly picks one, actually the original one (with the .JSD files), while the new .STI files were hidden in the other folder!

I had assembled the game under Linux (unzipped a vanilla JA2 installation, copied the JA2-1.13 files over it, then moved the result to the WinXP VM), and apparently while doing this, this case mismatch happened, and instead of merging the old and new /Tilecache folders I actually ended up with both of them.

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Sorry for the alert. speechless




Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362106 is a reply to message #361813] Sat, 26 December 2020 04:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does the latest developmental build (20th may one I think) include any AI improvements over the base game (ie. similar to a patch that was made for 7609)?
Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362116 is a reply to message #362106] Sat, 26 December 2020 21:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LatZee

 
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pfenth wrote on Sat, 26 December 2020 03:16
Does the latest developmental build (20th may one I think) include any AI improvements over the base game (ie. similar to a patch that was made for 7609)?
The may one is not the latest build, it's just the latest available on Depri's, for info how to get the newer versions, well, check this thread we're in big grin

If you're talking about 7609 as in Seven's +AI mod, then the answer is yes, no, maybe cheeky Seven added some of his AI tweaks into the standard trunk, but not all of them. So you might just have to give it a try and see how it looks in comparison...
Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362605 is a reply to message #362116] Sun, 07 March 2021 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Warning about JA2 1.13(7609) ENG from https://jagged-alliance.pl/plik562/
Currently it's unpatched. You need "JA2_113_UpdateForRelease7435_English_7609.exe", extract it to extracted "ja2_1.13(7609)_eng.7z" and apply the zPatch.bat (fastest way). Bug since 2014 suprised .

Update is here: https://storage.rcs-rds.ro/links/4729f8d6-f44b-42b7-aa3e-e0ddc6deead6?path=%2FJA_2%2Fv1.13_Releases%2FOfficial%2FEnglish %2Fv7435%2FUpdate

Edit:
Of course it is not "critical" but need "zzToolP.patch" to be apply (modifing 2x Ja2_Options.INI & 2x MercProfiles25.xml files). Files affected (since 2014):

JA2 1.13(7609) PL/ENG - affected
JA2 1.13(7609) Wildfire PL/ENG - affected
JA2 1.13(7609) GER/RU/FR/CHN - ?
JA2 1.13(7609) Wildfire GER/RU/FR/CHN - ?

[Updated on: Sun, 07 March 2021 21:47]

Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362611 is a reply to message #362605] Sun, 07 March 2021 17:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kitty

 
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luk3Z wrote on Sun, 07 March 2021 13:09
Warning about JA2 1.13(7609) ENG from https://jagged-alliance.pl/plik562/
Currently it's unpatched. You need "JA2_113_UpdateForRelease7435_English_7609.exe", extract it to extracted "ja2_1.13(7609)_eng.7z" and apply the zPatch.bat (fastest way). Bug since 2014 suprised .

Update is here: https://storage.rcs-rds.ro/links/4729f8d6-f44b-42b7-aa3e-e0ddc6deead6?path=%2FJA_2%2Fv1.13_Releases%2FOfficial%2FEnglish %2Fv7435%2FUpdate
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You are refering to the 7609-version from the polish JA2-Forum. If there is anything wrong with it, it might better to let a moderator/adminstrator of the polish forum know (maybe Starchris, if he is still active?). Can't do much about it here.

Regarding 7609, I assembled some information and downloadlinks about it in the starting post of this thread (see following quote) :

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Kitty wrote on Sat, 24 October 2020 09:01


Download 7609

https://storage.rcs-rds.ro/links/4729f8d6-f44b-42b7-aa3e-e0ddc6deead6?path=%2FJA_2%2Fv1.13_Releases%2FOfficial

Link to part of Bear's Pit's download-repository where 7609 can be found. Sorted by language, which should match lamguage of your original JA2.
E.g., if you use german CD of JA2 choose german 7435/7609.
Technically, 7609 is an update to 7435. That's why you need to do the install in proper order (see below).

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(other terms used for 7609-version of 1.13: stable, official, etc.) (see Glossary below for some explanation)

How to use:

step 01: Install your original JA2 (from CD, Steam, GOG or elsewhere)

- since Windows-Vista some folders are "protected", so don't use Program Files, Program Files (x86), etc.
- save bet would be not to use C:\\ at all
- you can have multiple instances of JA2, so you may wanna make a copy of original install as template for later use

step 02: Follow link above. Choose language matching your JA2 install. Choose "v7435".

step 03: Inside v7435, choose "JA2_113_FullRelease_"Language"_7435.exe" and download it.

step 03 a: Also in v7435, open folder "Update" and choose "JA2_113_UpdateForRelease7435_"Language"_7609.exe" and download this also.

step 04: The two files you just downloaded are self-extracting-archives ("a zip that extracts itself, so to say"), so don't worry about them being "exe". Only those two files are needed.

step 04 a: First, extract the one with "7435" (run exe, choose path). Either choose path to JA2 install (step 01) or copy extracted files into JA2 install (step 01). Overwrite when asked.

step 04 b: Then, extract the one with "7609" and do the same. Either choose path to JA2 install (step 01) or copy extracted files into JA2 instal (step 01). Overwrite when asked.

step 05: Inside your JA2 install (step 01) there now should be a file "zPatch.bat". Click on this (zPatch.bat). A DOS-Window will pop up. Confirm with hitting any key when asked.

step 06: If you consider this an annoying way to install, you may wanna make a copy of the result as a future template (e.g. for use with 7609-mods).

[NOTE] Most mods are developed on a specific language (german, russian, english, etc.). Using, eg., an english mod on a german JA2, will in most cases result only in a language mix. If you still run into language based problems, you may wanna try to get an english JA2 from Steam or GOG (it's rather cheap). Since most mods are either english or an english translation is available for them, this might be worth it.

Get a 7609-SCI (Single-Click-Installer)

If you wanna give it a try, here you find an already fully assembled 7609, including updated GameDir (SVN-GameDir - branch official 2014) and therefore more fixes 7609 SCI (eng) (fully assembled). With this 7609-SCI you won't need to do the above, just download and unzip to get a full 7609 (eng). In the thread I also try to explain what I've done to assemble those files. Might be useful, if you plan to do this yourself with another language version.

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Anybody who wants to save the hussle with patching 7435 to 7609 could also take a look at "Get a 7609-SCI" (or the 7609-link in my signature).




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Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362613 is a reply to message #362611] Sun, 07 March 2021 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
luk3Z

 
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Kitty wrote on Sun, 07 March 2021 16:57
luk3Z wrote on Sun, 07 March 2021 13:09
Warning about JA2 1.13(7609) ENG from https://jagged-alliance.pl/plik562/
Currently it's unpatched. You need "JA2_113_UpdateForRelease7435_English_7609.exe", extract it to extracted "ja2_1.13(7609)_eng.7z" and apply the zPatch.bat (fastest way). Bug since 2014 suprised .

Update is here: https://storage.rcs-rds.ro/links/4729f8d6-f44b-42b7-aa3e-e0ddc6deead6?path=%2FJA_2%2Fv1.13_Releases%2FOfficial%2FEnglish %2Fv7435%2FUpdate
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You are refering to the 7609-version from the polish JA2-Forum. If there is anything wrong with it, it might better to let a moderator/adminstrator of the polish forum know (maybe Starchris, if he is still active?). Can't do much about it here.

Regarding 7609, I assembled some information and downloadlinks about it in the starting post of this thread (see following quote) :
(...)
I know that. I'm just informed about problem coz few files could be affected (since 2014).
Of course it is not "critical" but need "zzToolP.patch" to be apply (modifing 2x Ja2_Options.INI & 2x MercProfiles25.xml files). Files affected (since 2014):

JA2 1.13(7609) PL/ENG - affected
JA2 1.13(7609) Wildfire PL/ENG - affected
JA2 1.13(7609) GER/RU/FR/CHN - ?
JA2 1.13(7609) Wildfire GER/RU/FR/CHN - ?

[Updated on: Sun, 07 March 2021 21:48]

Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362614 is a reply to message #362613] Sun, 07 March 2021 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kitty

 
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luk3Z wrote on Sun, 07 March 2021 13:09
... You need "JA2_113_UpdateForRelease7435_English_7609.exe", extract it to extracted "ja2_1.13(7609)_eng.7z" and apply the zPatch.bat (fastest way) ...
Quote:
step 03: Inside v7435, choose "JA2_113_FullRelease_"Language"_7435.exe" and download it.

step 03 a: Also in v7435, open folder "Update" and choose "JA2_113_UpdateForRelease7435_"Language"_7609.exe" and download this also.

step 04: The two files you just downloaded are self-extracting-archives ("a zip that extracts itself, so to say"), so don't worry about them being "exe". Only those two files are needed.

step 04 a: First, extract the one with "7435" (run exe, choose path). Either choose path to JA2 install (step 01) or copy extracted files into JA2 install (step 01). Overwrite when asked.

step 04 b: Then, extract the one with "7609" and do the same. Either choose path to JA2 install (step 01) or copy extracted files into JA2 instal (step 01). Overwrite when asked.

step 05: Inside your JA2 install (step 01) there now should be a file "zPatch.bat". Click on this (zPatch.bat). A DOS-Window will pop up. Confirm with hitting any key when asked.
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I still fail to see the difference between your suggestion and the install-instructions for 7609 from my very first post in this thread.
Even the links used by both of us are leading to the same place to get 7435 and the patch (update) to 7609.

But, ok. Fine. We both agree that for getting 7609 you'd usually need to download 7435, update it to 7609 and run the zbatch.

And since this an annoying way to instal, I recommend to a.) make a copy after doing this or b.) try my self-assembled 7609-SCI (follow link in my signature for more information)

A look back:

Until the download-links broke down last year, the most popular source for 7609 was http://ja2v113.pbworks.com/w/page/4218345/Installation. As you can see, even back at the time it was already mentioned that you need to apply the patch and zbatch for a full 7609.

A look ahead:

Looking arround the JaggedAllianceCenter (pl), I came across this 7609-version with bugfixes. Haven't used it myself, but this may could be what you are looking for JA2 1.13(7609) + Bugfixes v8281 (09: Modyfikacje » JA2 1.13 - Modyfikacje » JA2 1.13(7609) + Bugfixes v8281)

Anyway, to solve any possible problems with files from polish forum, I still would suggest to better ask directly there. Only the guys arround there are able to answer questions about their uploads and they are also the ones that could provide a fix/solution for it. That is, if they get informed themselves about possible issues.

[Updated on: Sun, 07 March 2021 22:36]




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Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362841 is a reply to message #362614] Sun, 11 April 2021 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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8684 is not working for me. i can not open the game it just shows ja2 window title on taskbar for a few sec then closes. i have 8675 and it is working so the problem is with this file you share imo.

[Updated on: Sun, 11 April 2021 17:28]

Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362849 is a reply to message #362841] Sun, 11 April 2021 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kitty

 
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gougluinn wrote on Sun, 11 April 2021 17:28
8684 is not working for me. i can not open the game it just shows ja2 window title on taskbar for a few sec then closes. i have 8675 and it is working so the problem is with this file you share imo.
Downloaded the file myself to asure we use the same.

Installed original ja2.

copied content from download over original

choosed matching vfs-config and ini

started

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It's working for me. Keep in mind, that the versions from my mediafire are already assembled. They already include all nescessary UC-files and the 1.13-version from their name (8675+UC-stuff or 8684+UC-stuff). No need to instal 8684 before, it's already included. No need to put UC-stuff inside, it's already there (and adjusted to version).

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If it still doesn't work for you, try to use Sevens Modpack. Last I looked, it also contains UC-1.13. His modpacks also only require JA2-original, anything else is already in them.



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Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362850 is a reply to message #362849] Sun, 11 April 2021 23:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gougluinn

 
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well i did exact same thing (copied content came from your file SCI_UC-1.13_v4.6_(10.05.2019)_on_JA2_v1.13_r8684_g2576 over my original ja2 gold folder and overwrited) but like i said it didnt work for me then i did that manually and it worked. i am using ja2 gold (1.12) maybe it is because of that? but like i said it works if i manually download these but not your version...

anyway the point that i already asked and nobody answered yet. why do i need to play it with 8684 instead 7609? what are the biggest differences? i can not find any changelogs between these versions. but more than that it has been years and we need a new stable version right?

[Updated on: Sun, 11 April 2021 23:35]

Re: How to get: latest 1.13, 7609, feature-descriptions and more[message #362857 is a reply to message #362850] Mon, 12 April 2021 00:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kitty

 
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Hm, I'm at a loss how to solve this.
I tried my version with a.) english JA2 from Steam (which I assume is the Gold-Version) and b.) with german JA2 from CD (v1.02) and c.) the german version patched to v1.05
It worked with all of those three base-installations.
Tried with Win7 and Win10, same result with both Win-versions and a.) - c.)
And since it's working with all six constellations I could test, I assume that nothing is wrong with the file itself.
It's rather likely that some other variable (e.g.: setup, version you use, error while downloading, etc.) is causing the problem.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I doubt what's happening at your side, it's just that I can't reproduce it on my side.
And therefore I can't provide any further solution, sorry.

But since you got it running anyway, it seemed already be solved for you.

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UC was first modded for JA2-vanilla (the original JA2, not 1.13)
Then, years later, the user wil473 updated UC to 1.13, resulting in UC-1.13
He did several versions. Not only, but also the 7609-version (7609 is a standard base for many mods).
The latest version he provided himself is the one for 8675.

Which version you use, is totally up to you.

7609:

+ 7609 is a standard version for many mods
+ therefore many players are used to features included
+ there is an alternative exe for 7609 by seven (7609+AI)
- it doesn't contain features added to standard 1.13 after 2014

8675:

+ has a bunch of more features than 7609
- players are not fanmiliar with those newer features
- the alternative exe by seven won't work with this (only 7609-mods)
- contains a bug (sometimes merc stand up when under fire, quite annoying)

8684:

+ same as 8675, but bug fixed
- same as any recent version, if not used to it, players get confused with features

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If choosing 8675/8684, it might be helpful to play those versions first without any mod to get familiar with it.

It's seven years work by dozens and more people (2014-2021), so any "brief" summary must fail.
In the starting posts of this thread, I linked to a bunch of feature-descriptions. Those mostly contain with which version they are added.
Another problem is, that there are some features that have been in 7609 and are still in latest versions, but have been changed.

Some things I often hear:

Many players are puzzled because MobileMilitia is handled totally different.
The Poison system is no longer included, replaced by disease.
If and how fortification works, differs.
Some items are added for features (e.g. splinter to fix broken leg)
Maria-Angel quest can be continued (not sure if this works with UC-maps)
Interactive actions on maps (drink from watewr-tap, hack-pc, etc.)
Enemy tanks in patrols pssible.
Starting Cash is no longer ion Ini-File. Can be changed in Difficulty-Settings instead.
etc, pp.

More details see Changelogs (those are part of many JA2-SCI), but that's probably too detailed if you don't know what to look for.

Extract from SVN-Changelog Source (exe)

Extract from SVN-Changelog GameDir