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THQ Nordic just announced JA3!!!!!!!!!!

suprised suprised suprised suprised suprised

https://youtu.be/YHWxpTk3S00?t=3020

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363685 is a reply to message #363683] Sat, 18 September 2021 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and this ...

https://www.pcgamer.com/au/jagged-alliance-3-announced-please-let-it-not-suck/




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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363686 is a reply to message #363685] Sat, 18 September 2021 10:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G, keeping fingers crossed. I really loved the artwork they presented here:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/jagged-alliance-3-in-the-works-from-tropico-developers/1100-6496327/?fbclid=IwAR3O06tB EDFVFDEizLAvUKy62dc-plzRJkNpxKRqtBc8CrRXEVBJxWrUnVA

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363692 is a reply to message #363686] Sat, 18 September 2021 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes!

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363694 is a reply to message #363686] Sun, 19 September 2021 05:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FUCK YEAH!!!

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363708 is a reply to message #363694] Mon, 20 September 2021 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am cautiously optimistic.

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363714 is a reply to message #363708] Tue, 21 September 2021 03:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I fear this game may be doomed to disappoint, for a number of reasons:

First. The 1.13 mod has completely changed what players think of when talking about the JA franchise. The shear number of options, features, etc that 1.13 has introduced is simply an incredible mark for a developer to meet. There has been 20 years of a dedicated group of programmers, tweaking, adjusting and adding to the game. No developer has the resources to match that.

Second. The developer needs to meet that high standards set by the Sirtech group in creating the atmosphere of the JA series, and bring that atmosphere into contemporary times. All the little things that sirtech did, the npc's, the Mercs, the sharp satire of the time that the game came out in. Where JA2 did well to dealing with it's time period (communism vs capitalism, fall of the eastern block, the end of the cold war), a modern game would need to deal with the war in Afghanistan, Domestic terrorism, religious issues, etc. Also I'm not sure if our modern sensibilities would welcome a game with JA2's style and irreverence (The only franchise I can think of that pulls this off regularly is GTA). Selling 200 000 will likely not be profitable for the developer.

Third. Time between releases. As it's been 20 years since series releases and given the history of this property I suspect the expectations of the fan base may be extreme. Also given the time that has passed how many players have moved on from video gaming in general (for any number reasons)_and those who came to the series recently how many are on the 1.13 version of the game/series vs vanilla (see point 1 above)

Fourth. Somewhat related to all three above is the modern video game landscape and how accepting it will be to a game of JA's style. Even in '99 JA2 was a niche game in a niche category that, despite glowing reviews sold only ~200 000 copies. Today's video game market is vastly different than the market that JA2 brought it's blend of point and click, action-rpg, and combat strategy to. Would todays players welcome a game like JA2, one that focuses more on gameplay depth and character than pure graphical beauty. How does the JA franchise handle online gaming?

Sure the developer might take notes from the 1.13 mod and include some of the best features from the mod in the game. Might live up to the standard set by Sirtech by introducing new NPC's, Mercs, and updating the game world to bring the series into the modern times. Might attract a new generation of players who find the game as enthralling as we all did 20+ years ago, and might be able to do all that while drawing in players from the mainstream

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363716 is a reply to message #363683] Tue, 21 September 2021 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, it is doomed to disappoint, but in the end it can still be a nice little game reminding of what was Jagged alliance, as a franchise. Forget JA2, it was a masterpiece and therefore cannot be matched.
We have to set our expectations low in order not to be disappointed.

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363717 is a reply to message #363716] Tue, 21 September 2021 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JA 3 might be excellent or not, depends on the developer and publisher.

Meanwhile, 1.13 would maybe match what JA 3 has to offer if

o a stable branch is created
o features that do not work are removed
o decide what feature set is taken to stable
o debug until no more bugs found
o also debug until game can be played to completion
o write manual that describes the new features
o publish stable version of this excellent new JA2.



Tapio Lehtonen
Pori, Finland

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363736 is a reply to message #363717] Thu, 23 September 2021 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well...

It will definitely not reach the level the 1.13 aims for, to be honest. It still can, however, be a good game like JA1 and vanilla JA2. After all, 1.13 is a massive expansion/overhaul, in development for over a decade. Trying to compare this project to whatever JA3 tries to be (a game on the level of vanilla JA2, but with smoothened out gameplay) is just not fair.

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363838 is a reply to message #363714] Fri, 08 October 2021 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jgaleazz wrote on Tue, 21 September 2021 00:28


Fourth. Somewhat related to all three above is the modern video game landscape and how accepting it will be to a game of JA's style. Even in '99 JA2 was a niche game in a niche category that, despite glowing reviews sold only ~200 000 copies. Today's video game market is vastly different than the market that JA2 brought it's blend of point and click, action-rpg, and combat strategy to. Would todays players welcome a game like JA2, one that focuses more on gameplay depth and character than pure graphical beauty. How does the JA franchise handle online gaming?

I direct you to Diablo 2 Resurrected. It's been 20 years as well and graphics remastering was mostly all it needed. I bought it out of sheer nostalgia. I've skipped over most of the "Jagged Remakes", but this one looks promising.

As Skyrock said, I'm cautiously optimistic.

Still I will likely be playing JA2 for years to come. I might take a few years break from time to time, sometimes I play vanilla, or mods, but mostly one version or another of 1.13.

I might enjoy new blood in the series, just as I enjoy Diablo 3 and will enjoy Diablo 4. I will always go back to D2 for the unique experience, the modding and the community behind it. And similarly, as long as Shanga keeps this place open, I will always come back home to JA2, 1.13, the mods, and the Bear's Pit community.

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #363862 is a reply to message #363838] Wed, 13 October 2021 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sad fact is that JA3 is not actually a first attempt on making a JA2 sequel (or prequel in one case) so i'm not getting my hopes too high up.

I would like to point out some things that would be pretty much necessary if this attempt wants to attract JA2 crowd.

1 - Most of the people have moved from playing plain vanilla JA2 and is now quite used to JA2 1.13 features. Things like automatic fire (not just burst), new inventory system, new attachment system, large amount of guns/gear/stuff to find/buy/use in comparison to vanilla. Most of the previous attempts completely ignored that fact and tried to recreate JA2 system and failed. I saw a video of a release of Jagged Alliance BIA where they had an attachment system from JA1!!! I still get ticks when i remember it. I don't expect JA3 to have a detailed attachment system like EFT does but something in between 1.13 and EFT would be good enough.

2 - Community here is kindda fragmented as well. Some still prefer unmoded JA2 so stick to projects like straciatella, some can't play without newest 1.13 beta versions and all its features, some stick to stable release, etc. Not exactly easy crowd to please. Probably best way to go is to pick up best features from Ja2 vanilla and 1.13 and move the franchise to 2020's. Like new engine, graphics, modding tools, etc. The fact that they try to recreate country takeover on strategic level sounds promising in its own right. Ja1 or 2 was never about linear progression and series of fights. It had developed strategic layer and some of those failed attempts failed to recognize that.

3 - Size of the battlefield. I think popularity of AIMNAS and its big maps project shows how much ppl want to have more room to maneuver, not play chess on a 8x8 square maps and call it a strategy game. Games like '7.62 high caliber' had good idea on how it should be done (unfortunately 7.62 is also a buggy mess with HUGE memory leak which was never patched).

Announcement does sound promising but i'll also stay cautious.

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #364540 is a reply to message #363862] Wed, 30 March 2022 13:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most gamers have moved from vanilla JA2 to JA2 1.13 features and are good at them. There are more guns, gear, and other things to find and use than in vanilla Minecraft. Most previous attempts ignored this fact and tried to make the JA2 system work, but they didn't. The BIA was reportedly retrieved from the ground using the JA1 attachment device. JA3 will not have as many attachment mechanisms as EFT, but something in the middle might work. In addition, the community here isn't all that close together. Some people prefer the game's original version, while others need the new 1.13 beta version and all of its features to play.

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #364714 is a reply to message #363714] Tue, 21 June 2022 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe you are right, maybe not.

In theory, there is a large player base to like this game, that is, all the players who also like turn-based RPGs (eg BG3, etc.). If the style of gameplay of JA2 is just transferred to much better graphics, while updating some of the outdated mechanics and controls, this could really go off. Just saying.

jgaleazz wrote on Tue, 21 September 2021 03:28
I fear this game may be doomed to disappoint, for a number of reasons:

First. The 1.13 mod has completely changed what players think of when talking about the JA franchise. The shear number of options, features, etc that 1.13 has introduced is simply an incredible mark for a developer to meet. There has been 20 years of a dedicated group of programmers, tweaking, adjusting and adding to the game. No developer has the resources to match that.

Second. The developer needs to meet that high standards set by the Sirtech group in creating the atmosphere of the JA series, and bring that atmosphere into contemporary times. All the little things that sirtech did, the npc's, the Mercs, the sharp satire of the time that the game came out in. Where JA2 did well to dealing with it's time period (communism vs capitalism, fall of the eastern block, the end of the cold war), a modern game would need to deal with the war in Afghanistan, Domestic terrorism, religious issues, etc. Also I'm not sure if our modern sensibilities would welcome a game with JA2's style and irreverence (The only franchise I can think of that pulls this off regularly is GTA). Selling 200 000 will likely not be profitable for the developer.

Third. Time between releases. As it's been 20 years since series releases and given the history of this property I suspect the expectations of the fan base may be extreme. Also given the time that has passed how many players have moved on from video gaming in general (for any number reasons)_and those who came to the series recently how many are on the 1.13 version of the game/series vs vanilla (see point 1 above)

Fourth. Somewhat related to all three above is the modern video game landscape and how accepting it will be to a game of JA's style. Even in '99 JA2 was a niche game in a niche category that, despite glowing reviews sold only ~200 000 copies. Today's video game market is vastly different than the market that JA2 brought it's blend of point and click, action-rpg, and combat strategy to. Would todays players welcome a game like JA2, one that focuses more on gameplay depth and character than pure graphical beauty. How does the JA franchise handle online gaming?

Sure the developer might take notes from the 1.13 mod and include some of the best features from the mod in the game. Might live up to the standard set by Sirtech by introducing new NPC's, Mercs, and updating the game world to bring the series into the modern times. Might attract a new generation of players who find the game as enthralling as we all did 20+ years ago, and might be able to do all that while drawing in players from the mainstream

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #364810 is a reply to message #364714] Sat, 20 August 2022 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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new gameplay trailer


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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #364870 is a reply to message #364810] Thu, 08 September 2022 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Guess who's back?

I saw the news about another attempt at a JA3. Cautious but it looks like the best attempt yet. The JA-brand has been mauled and it has the fan-community and 1.13 to measure up to. We'll see. I thought the Hollywood CGI-slide in the fights looked goofy as fuck but I can live with it. It just hints to me that the developers might not share the fans view of what JA is about.

So many develpoers didn't understand what was unique about JA (especially JA2 and the mods) and tried to make a X-Com game with funny character quotes in it as a compensation for what they lacked. A functioning strategic level, suspension of belief in the story and a combat system that works.
The last one is important to me. Some mercs and situations may be silly but I wan't fights that seem plausible where teamwork, training, support weapons, equipment and tactics are more important than special traits.

[Updated on: Thu, 08 September 2022 18:21]

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #364871 is a reply to message #364870] Fri, 09 September 2022 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm with you Cagemonkey
Judging by what i've seen in those teasers, it looks more like XCOM rather than a JA game. JA games are isometric, with small characters and a lot of depth. Likes/ Dislikes among the mercs, opinions, quests, stray bullets kill, 3 days ago i watched in horror, second kid dying to a stray soldier bullets, after all these years, this time it was a whole burst. Interaction with merchants and other NPC' and a million more other small things. I played XCOM, lots of soldiers to play with but they lack personality and despite the fact that are high lvl, well trained soldiers, the percentages to hit are very low, which discourages me to continue playing it. In JA's, the mercs are getting better and more effective with progress. Yeah, maybe the mercs in JA3 are spitting wisecracks during battle but that's a downside. In JA's they are tensed and even pray or just make a short remark about their luck or the lack of it. When they hit, they bleed and need to bandage themselves if they can. Or they fall unconscious and someone else must try to get to them and IF the wounded one is not completely out in the open, can be saved. So much personality, i doubt we'll see any of that in JA3.



Nipson anomimata mi monan opsin

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Re: Jagged Alliance 3 is COMING!!!!![message #365150 is a reply to message #363683] Mon, 06 February 2023 21:30 Go to previous message
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I pretty much ignored every JA that came after JA2. But this one, with Ian Curry on board, even if its just as writer could be a good one.

If they can pull off an XCom like combat system with enough depth, that's fine with me

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