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They dont't like me at night[message #98014] Thu, 13 April 2006 08:07 Go to next message
Bukimi is currently offline Bukimi

 
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I'm playing UC for the first time and I wonder why can't I just walk around or attack the city at night not being attacked by civilians. Are they really hostile or I should avoid wandering on streets at night? I dont't know if I missed some facts from the introduction or is there any solution, like speaking with sb or civil clothing? It starts to annoy me somehow Razz

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98015] Thu, 13 April 2006 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
FastZ is currently offline FastZ

 
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Good choice! I am playing UC more than a year (no more time available Sad )
Civilians do like you. But in some sectors the civilians are attacking together with the enemies, because the city is taken by the enemies.
Or should i say: the civilians are militia from the enemies? I do not know how the UC team calls this.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98016] Thu, 13 April 2006 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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You've got Police Officers, Crepaton Security, Gangs, army, and even enemy recruits - these are all considered civilian and are identified by the shirts they're wearing (and the fact that you need to shoot them). It's intentional - some sectors will have more than 40 enemies against you, redshirt+civilians. It's part of the game, so get used to it. P.S. when you are attacked by civilians, they can get really nasty interrupts, so more carefully at long range.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98017] Fri, 14 April 2006 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bukimi is currently offline Bukimi

 
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Thanks for replies. Now I can return to some sectors and finish the job Smile And at last I can attack at night using my camo kits, silencer and of course my stealthy mercs - my favourite method: half of enemies are dead not even knowing about my presence Very Happy
But if these civilians are "enemy's militia" why they don't attack me during the day? And if they don't attack me - can I attack them?

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98018] Fri, 14 April 2006 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
FastZ is currently offline FastZ

 
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Sometimes the armed civilians don't do anything (besides standing in the fire line). The first time the enemy was shooting at me and killed one of the civilians. After that the civilians were attacking me. I tried the same map the second time i was more careful and protected the civilians.
I must say that it is easier to shoot them then to protect them.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98019] Fri, 14 April 2006 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Oh you're referring to the second sector in Atremo... This is an intentional design, supposedly your mercs remain "anonymous" for the first day, after which the government puts out a contract on your head, so to speak, or at least notifies its forces that you are an enemy. So from the night of day 2 and onwards, whoever should be hostile would be hostile at any period of the day, for the rest of the game. The first day is just a grace period, especially since you're largely unarmed! Very Happy

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98020] Sat, 15 April 2006 01:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bukimi is currently offline Bukimi

 
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Actually, I mean all cities. I left Atremo before the first night. There are some civilians in almost every inhabited sector and all of them are hostile at night.
If the government puts out a contract on our heads are they likely to become hostile during the day in every city or is it only Atremo? I've just conquered Calisto on day 2 and people are hostile only at night for now.
And what about loyalty in these cities? In JA2, killing any civilian dropped loyalty level - is the situation similar and is there any difference between "good" and "bad" civilians in this matter?

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98021] Sat, 15 April 2006 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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Well like I said, there are tons of enemies who are considered civilians and are armed to the teeth. I don't know if you mean those or just the regular, everyday civilians who like to run around screaming alot (women, children, fat people, etc). Cause if you mean the regular ones, then something's wrong. Otherwise, expect a LOT of civilian-classed people to attack you throughout the game, mostly policemen who are well armed and have funny interrupts that can get you killed easily. All of them will be hostile until the end of the game, that's part of the story.

If it's the regular civvies after your a$$, I suggest looking for it as a bug report here on the forums.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98022] Sat, 15 April 2006 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bukimi is currently offline Bukimi

 
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OK. I exaggerated saying "all of them". Of course women, children etc aren't attacking me - only these well armed, so it's not a bug. I'll start fighting them as soon as the night begins - I still have the daytime because I try to conquer as much as possible as fast as possible Very Happy
A question of a similar topic - is it possible to sneak into the subway and "cheat" the gangs there not to attack us or hostiles are just always hostile and killing them is the only way to get rid of them? As far as I remember it wasn't possible in the original JA2, but maybe you did miracles to this game in this mod ;P

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98023] Thu, 20 April 2006 15:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DaveS425 is currently offline DaveS425

 
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Some subway gangs aren't hostile at first, I think until you've taken a city and are trying to leave. They all turn and stay hostile eventually.

I didn't mind once my team was armed, I took along an incompentent like Biff in my A-Team to let him train up a little with the others to cover for him. It's also something to do at night since I'm a day ops guy.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98024] Thu, 20 April 2006 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LegacyOfApathy is currently offline LegacyOfApathy

 
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Ah, my dear friends. I've started many a game of Urban Chaos lately.

I too, felt shocked and hurt that the "civilians" AND the police were trying to kill me. I mean, I thought I was there to help them!

I found this thread to be pretty helpful

Topic: The Factions (Spoilers here)

PMS. Thanks Headrock, for clearing it up for us\helping us understand who they are and why they shootin at us.

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The Police, the Crepaton guards (CIA), and whoever it is that Rude Dog hangs out with are all non-hostile towards you on the first day. If you have a lot of experience, or are good at moving and acting quickly, you can find a way to use this to your advantage.

I remember one game where I conquored Calistro, and then found Claudia, in one of the lower sectors around the city. Dunno if its always same place.. Anyways. After taking out the redshirt population, all the dudes in grey kept surrounding me

(They looked just like Elites O.O)

Anyways, what I'd do is punch one dude, grab his gun, and leave the sector, (same turn) when I came back, they were still non-hostile.

I stole some amazing guns from those guys in grey, including two Bizons, and some Russian rifles.. I think it was ASKU-74 maybe.

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Oh yeah! When I'm rushing on the first day and meet shark. I take him out and exit the subway. When I return, his gang of knife weilding thugs is friendly towards me.

The first time the police turned on me, I already trained militia.... They got wiped out. So, I though I was supposed to leave Linda alone.

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Enjoy the peace while you can, make the most out of it, just know in advance that they'll be sent after ya later ^_^

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98025] Thu, 20 April 2006 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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(More spoilers below so watch out)

If you read the Danubia Recon file (in your laptop files) it is written rather plainly that the Police are just thugs who work for crepaton, and are just as bad as the enemies. Actually when I first touched down in Danubia, I thought that by wearing civilian clothing and keeping the guns in the inventory, I could avoid getting attacked altogether. Sadly, that's not so - the police are looking for you. The police (and other civilian factions) present a problem when they go hostile:
They have a nasty habit of interrupting you. I don't know exactly why that is, but I find them much harder to surprise than regular enemy troops.

If it was only the police, that'd be fine, but like I said, there's about a ton of different hostile civvies in this game, and in some sectors they can be a killer. I'm referring specifically to such non-city sectors where the enemy is training their troops. You will meet a ton of white-shirted, beige-panted enemies who are well-armed and surprisingly better trained than the soldiers themselves! Keep an eye out for these, because these bases are also LOADED with goodies.

In any case, if you find that interrupts are a b****, try moving as far away from any corners, buildings, or otherwise heavy cover - if an enemy comes into view while the distance between them and your merc is long, you stand a better chance of interrupt (and a better chance of enemy fire missing you, if they got the interrupt). In some places, unfortunately, it is not possible. I had one time where Ivan (then rank 8 or 9) could not possibly sneak up on a cop sitting inside a police station. Had to nuke the guy with some TNT that was lying around. I wasn't happy with the result, and tried a different approach, I opened the door to the room where he was, and had ivan cross the door's LOS quite far from the building itself. He spotted the cop inside (who was aiming at him!) and killed him with the interrupt. Keep it in mind.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98026] Thu, 20 April 2006 21:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had the same experience as Headrock. Try to sneak up to a soldier and knock him down. Be sure the coast is clear on all sides (with long range backup). Hard but you feel great afterwards!

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98027] Thu, 20 April 2006 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Headrock

 
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LOL I was saying the exact opposite - killing the civvies from as far away as possible! Like I said, up-close and personal, they tend to interrupt you much better than regular enemies (I guess it's because your mercs don't know the civs would be hostile before they shoot? :whoknows: )
So like I explained, try spotting them from far away rather than up close, you stand a much better chance of interrupting them and spraying them full of holes.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98028] Thu, 20 April 2006 22:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I know what you mean. So it is much harder to sneak up and take out. One of the mercs is neaking up and the others are positioned further away. I must say that i have a group of mercs who are interupting great!

My second team must stay further away. I have the same strategy as you with them.

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Re: They dont't like me at night[message #98029] Wed, 26 April 2006 22:29 Go to previous message
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Kill 'Em All!

Let God Sort 'Em Out!

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