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Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #243966]

Fri, 12 February 2010 06:12

PAWJA2

Messages:125
Registered:December 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Hello,

I am playtesting Ranks in my game.

Here is my formula:

Rank Name Short Name Points Kills Min. Minimum Leadership
1 Recruit Rct 0 0 0
2 Private Pvt 10 0 0
3 Private 1st Class PFC 20 1 0
4 Lance Corporal LCpl 30 2 5
5 Corporal Cpl 45 3 10
6 Sergeant Sgt 60 5 15
7 Staff Sergeant SSgt 75 10 20
8 Gunnery Sergeant GSgt 100 15 25
9 Master Sergeant MSgt 125 20 30
10 1st Sergeant 1Sgt 150 25 35
11 Master Gunnery Sergeant MGSgt 175 30 40
12 Sergeant Major SgtMaj 200 35 45
13 Warrant Officer WO 250 40 50
14 Chief Warrant Officer CWO 300 45 55
15 2nd Lieutenant 2Lt 350 50 60
16 1st Lieutenant 1Lt 400 75 65
17 Captain Capt. 450 100 70
18 Major Maj. 500 150 75
19 Lieutenant Colonel Lt. Col. 750 200 80
20 Colonel Col. 1,000 250 85
21 Brigadier General Brig. Gen. 2,000 300 90
22 Major General Maj. Gen. 3,000 400 90
23 Lieutenant General Lt. Gen. 4,000 500 90
24 General Gen. 5,000 600 95
25 Field Marshal FM 6,000 700 95

Use this link for formatted table:
http://www.acwgc.org/acwgc_members/paw/JA2/Rank.htm

Points are 2 per Kill, 1 per Assist. Based on this, I rank my player.

Now I will see how far I can get my men.

Spooky has made Gunnery Sergeant. I am still a lowly Corporal. Mercs that are aggressive can
get promoted faster. I have a LCpl and a PFC who cannot go further unless they improve their leadership.

If anyone is far advanced in JA2 UB Vietnam, I would love to have a screen shot of Kills & Assists to see where I would rank them.

[Updated on: Fri, 12 February 2010 06:21] by Moderator

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Sergeant

Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #243973]

Fri, 12 February 2010 07:05

usrbid

Messages:1506
Registered:December 2008

There should be a "career" path for low LDR and high kills soldiers e.g. the US army differentiates between non-commissioned officers (NCO) and commissioned officers (CO), you can see this at the bottom of this page.

The idea is that soldiers with low LDR follow the NCO path while the ones with high LDR go along the CO path. In real life and within the game a soldier could switch from NCO to CO e.g. in the game when their LDR increases.

The challenge here is that in the game the NCO with LDR going over the threshhold e.g. 50 would have to start in front of the CO line independent of their kill ratio, but it would be acceptable for the NCO to CO switchers to progress faster on the CO path until they hit the regular kill ratios of the CO path.

Did I confuse you enough now? Sorry man, feel free to ask, I can explain more.

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Sergeant Major

Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #243980]

Fri, 12 February 2010 09:30

herb

Messages:387
Registered:September 2007
Location: Slovenija

I think that are too many ranks (25!)

I prefer the same ranks from the pit (ranks that we achive).

About promotion: Wisdom and leadership is inportant. So nevertheless the number of kills merc could not get promotion unless the specific number of wisdom.

Knoledge and school give also a big part in promotion.

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Master Sergeant

Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #244035]

Fri, 12 February 2010 17:51

cdudau

Awesome!

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Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #244183]

Sun, 14 February 2010 22:24

PAWJA2

Messages:125
Registered:December 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Guys,

So far it is working out. I am playtesting with JA2 UB - Vietnam.

I am not trying to be realistic here, I campletely understand how military work, ex AF brat, ex USMC.

What I am trying to gauge, is how my JA2 players will progress.

What I am hoping to do, once I get Items added to JA2 v1.13, is allow for players to role play with ranks as the see fit.

I only posted table as a guideline I came up with.

The high number of ranks is to cover everyones tastes. Some, may just want to have a rank and keep it for entire game.

If I can get my 4 set of ranks added to v1.13, then I can go into maybe more stuff.

Just figured out .xml, now on to how to add them...

1 baby step at a time...

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Sergeant

Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #244184]

Sun, 14 February 2010 22:27

PAWJA2

Messages:125
Registered:December 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia

And,

my 4 sets are:

USMC
US Army
Soviet Army (from UC)
Bear Pit (still need to discuss with moderators)

Possible 5th set: From post in about ranks that match levels.
Again, Bear Pit stuff - need to discuss with moderators.

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Sergeant

Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #244186]

Sun, 14 February 2010 22:31

PAWJA2

Messages:125
Registered:December 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia

@marko

I have to disagree on Wisdom. You can get real assh... in command, and it has nothing to do with their widom or yours...

Thus Leadership is the primary driver.

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Sergeant

Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #244214]

Mon, 15 February 2010 10:30

herb

Messages:387
Registered:September 2007
Location: Slovenija

with higher wisdom your skills grow faster and merc becomes better. And thus he can promote quicker.

True that you get skills in combat. But only number of killed is not the measure for promotion.

All machine gunners are not generals

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Master Sergeant

Re: Ranks - Paytesting - Need Info[message #244330]

Tue, 16 February 2010 03:50

PAWJA2

Messages:125
Registered:December 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia

@Marko,

At this point I just want to get ranks into v1.13 (as items), which I am trying to do. Then it is up to players to decide how they want to use them.

My preference is included, but by no means the way to do it.

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Sergeant