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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267394] Thu, 25 November 2010 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I will not agree with Dieter ! And here is my point the voice acting for Miguel from WF was terrible compired with original one and that wasn't the only one , all changes in the voice acting in WF was disaster , but still remain the most important thing plan and go or TBS , if they chose RTS there will not be at great significance for the new or old VA for the most old players that will be other game not JA !!!

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267395] Thu, 25 November 2010 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
To me....

If they are going to make the same game, by updating it with modern advances in technology, they should keep most of the game composure intact.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267407] Fri, 26 November 2010 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It depends how much they actually own, which is something I'm not clear on (hence "if they can"). From what I have found, they own "full rights" to the series... but I don't know if they now possess copyrights for the currently released games.

Anyone able to clarify? (Or further muddy :blah:)

The way I see it, being able to reuse assets would allow them to spend more money on gameplay, and avoid the risk of cruddy replacements (especially if the devs are German -- fine for German speakers, but the English dub may suffer). It would restrict them a bit, since they'd a little limited in what new situations they could implement, but it is supposed to be a remake rather than a completely different game :shrug:.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267449] Sat, 27 November 2010 02:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I respectfully disagree about Dragon Age's system being "good".

I find it pretty boring.

I should have learned to code ... I would have been able to contribute to a new graphic engine.

That is all we are missing from having a whole new game built by the community already, is it not?

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267452] Sat, 27 November 2010 04:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SJBenoist

That is all we are missing from having a whole new game built by the community already, is it not?


not at all. the graphics engine is only one part of it. we

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267453] Sat, 27 November 2010 07:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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whoa, a lot has happened since the last time i was here

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More mercs


1.13? check


there are new mercs in 1.13??

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267454] Sat, 27 November 2010 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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can't wait to have this game!! jagged alliance 2 is the only game i use to repeat all over and over again. Smile

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267455] Sat, 27 November 2010 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what if we raise a donation run for sir tech? since i've read in wikipedia that they are the really one concern for the I P of jagged alliance series including the gamestyle and personality? if they go partnership with other game developers, they often ruined the game characteristics. Smile

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267460] Sat, 27 November 2010 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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they are bancrupt for a long, long time and their personnel is gone with the winds

welcome to the pit, my nameless dreamer

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #267480] Sat, 27 November 2010 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what if we raise a donation run for sir tech? since i've read in wikipedia that they are the really one concern for the I P of jagged alliance series including the gamestyle and personality? if they go partnership with other game developers, they often ruined the game characteristics. Smile


The original developer of the game has been bankrupted once the big names started to kill off independent game contractors (JA2 UB was their last attempt, then they closed). They went out of business years ago, sold the JA2 IP to Strategy First, who tried unsuccessfully to make JA3 using Russian studios. When SFI hit rock bottom, they resold the license to bitComposer this year. Welcome to our time.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #269518] Fri, 07 January 2011 04:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I really hope BitComposer offers an open beta testing phase. Perhaps there will be something that can be salvaged from this apparent wreck?

Flettner and others have mentioned the Civilization franchise as a good example of turn-based strategy succeeding in the modern era, both commercially and in quality of gameplay. I must say that I find Civilization V to be ridiculously addictive and I'm not even a big fan of the genre. It certainly offers much more satisfying gameplay than any of its RTS counter-parts, like Age of Empires, et al.

I guess my message to BitComposer is that gameplay can still be exciting and enthralling even if you are able to have a couple of mouthfuls of soup in between turns. The commercial success of the Civ franchise should be a testament to that.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #271350] Wed, 26 January 2011 19:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That is all we are missing from having a whole new game built by the community already, is it not?
and hacking and externalizing the existing JA2 engine will only get us so far anyways.

:haloangel: We cannot mod for ourselves, "we" are "old core" that must pass knowledge to younger minds and brains...coding-experienced people try (in vain i say) to resist "revolution" through "reforma". Hopefully virtual blood and stupidness will be the only victims of the engine change. A change in operating system caliber, so to say. Cool

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #272240] Thu, 03 February 2011 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Do I smell a hyped product that will eventually crash and burn?
News!
I think so. Reeks of garbage in so many ways.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #272280] Thu, 03 February 2011 06:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Slax
Do I smell a hyped product that will eventually crash and burn?
News!
I think so. Reeks of garbage in so many ways.


I smell :blackcat:

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #273646] Wed, 16 February 2011 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So they changed the name of the game, because they got a shit storm about not doing the remake in TB. Now they can say:"We never said it would be a remake, there isn't a '2' in the title."

After all the protest against the PauseToGo system. Instead of changing it back to turnbase, they change the name of the game. Way to go Bit Composer... (I guess it's the cheaper option.)

I posted the same remark on their 'brand new' forums. Let's see what they have to say...
http://boards.jaggedalliance.com/index.php?/topic/165-namechange-discussion/page__pid__1947#entry1947

(Probably nothing...)

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #273652] Wed, 16 February 2011 01:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
So....It is not Jagged Alliance 2: Back in Action.
It is Jagged Alliance: Back in Action.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #273767] Thu, 17 February 2011 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did they transfer the accounts over from the old site? My password is not working.

So bc simply gave up on the old board and made a new one? Wow, that is so sad.

I am cool with them doing real time with pause, I am cool with them renaming the game, but deleting their fan base - wow, I don't know what to say. (I wish I had several hundred active users...)

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #273840] Thu, 17 February 2011 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dieter seeing how 98% of them were acting belligerently they probably thought it was a good idea.

I was not surprised about it being RTWP I was surprised by it being so similar to what headrock and I were talking about last year.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #273847] Thu, 17 February 2011 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
How long has it been since they acquired the franchise?

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #273876] Fri, 18 February 2011 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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oh boy, this developement looks bad...

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #275200] Sun, 06 March 2011 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is a first look preview from GameSpot:

http://gdc.gamespot.com/story/6302301/jagged-alliance-back-in-action-impressions-first-look

Seems that at least turn-based combat will be in still, and still based in Arulco. So no matter the name-change, it seems to be a remake of JA2.

I just hope the charm of the game isn't lost. I loved the quirky mercs and their interactions with each other (which is a point that could use some further development).

I just hope for the best.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #275226] Sun, 06 March 2011 23:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
I like this news.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #275241] Mon, 07 March 2011 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like this:

Quote:
And just like before, the game will give you the choice to play these battles in real time (if you happen to be totally insane) or in turn-based mode (if you're sane).


Quote:
From what we can tell from our brief demonstration, Back in Action brings back all the elements of the classic tactical strategy game, including limited action points for each mercenary to spend each turn on movement, reloading, firing, throwing grenades, using explosives, patching up wounded teammates, and so on. If you happen to be carrying an automatic weapon, you can also still set your firing mode to single shot, burst, and full auto. Back in Action also uses Jagged Alliance 2's line-of-sight system, which displays each character's field of view as a triangular cone on the ground radiating outward, and just like in the original game, your best bet, at least early on, will be to stay low, stay out of sight, and pick off enemies one by one.


..but this makes me remain cautious:

Quote:
The early version of the game we saw was still using placeholder in-game assets

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #275243] Mon, 07 March 2011 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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personally i think JAbiA is going to be realtime since they never actually played the game for them selves but merly saw a demo of it so their impression is likley false. also bitcomposer has stated ti make the game realtime with pause why change that and not announce it to the fans who ave been bashing them eversince they revealed JAbiA being realtime

so dont get to optimistic

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #275318] Tue, 08 March 2011 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The person who wrote this at GameSpot doesn't seem to know the original game that well, either - or have I been missing something all those years about Arulco being an island?

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276897] Wed, 30 March 2011 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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New character models:

http://www.jaggedalliance.com/wp-content/gallery/jagged-alliance-back-in-action-artworks/jar_characterposes2.png

http://www.jaggedalliance.com/wp-content/gallery/jagged-alliance-back-in-action-artworks/jar_characterposes7.png

Is it me or do those rifles look too big? He's pulling the trigger with 2 fingers and doesn't hold the frontgrip.

Too be honest. They look like crap.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276902] Wed, 30 March 2011 21:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nice shirt tho !! Cool

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276905] Wed, 30 March 2011 21:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A 4 1/2 minute gameplay video can be downloaded at http://www.gamestar.de/_misc/downloads/videos/detailarchiv.cfm?pk=142176&fk=57651&pid=1735 (~180 MB, German commentary)

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276909] Wed, 30 March 2011 22:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
lockie
Nice shirt tho !! Cool

Second that! Some flavor bay bay!

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276915] Wed, 30 March 2011 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nice seems my boy shadow is getting a boonie hat, like the weapons and the character models a shame that the rest of the game is going to be .....

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276916] Wed, 30 March 2011 22:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
I watched that gameplay footage and it looks rather...BUT it does have cool graphics and shitty animations!

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276919] Wed, 30 March 2011 23:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah watched it too, tactically this looks like a step back from 7.62 high caliber may be it will get some polish

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276920] Wed, 30 March 2011 23:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
I didn't like the feet shuffling.
It does look good though.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276921] Thu, 31 March 2011 00:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just watched the video, also a ... from me. Additionally, be glad if you don't understand the comments ... I can't decide wether audio or video is worse.

Don't know if i should list all the stuff that bothers me about this, better not I guess.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276928] Thu, 31 March 2011 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tell me about it the commentary is borderline embarassing especially the wannabe comedy parts ughh

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276932] Thu, 31 March 2011 03:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
Can you translate?

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276942] Thu, 31 March 2011 11:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Meh, the dude is talking way too fast, plus it is all poser nonsense, the words exist, but the way he uses them is unusual, not normally used, or the context does not fit, has no meaning. He is basically some guy who was given a demo and describes what he sees while utilizing a list of key points he got from bc. He says most of the stuff you see is not final, just a proof of concept for the bc dudes to check if they are on the right track. (Well, and I hope you don't need to empty 30 round magazines from 10 feet way at each other with no visible effect.)

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276946] Thu, 31 March 2011 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Informations from the Video commentary:

1. This is early alpha footage, with basic UI and AI. :party:

2. Basically there will be all options from JA2 like single shot, burst, crouching ...

3. The commentator is a guy who played JA2 and he says that the tactical P&G gameplay it okay, he had the at first a strange feeling but in the end, fights should be good.

4. You have to discover enemys on the map. In the lategame you may have an option to scan the minimap from an satellite.

5. There will be an action-timeline where you can manage your merc actions.

6. Merc with the suit is grunty.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276948] Thu, 31 March 2011 11:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Meh, the dude is talking way too fast, plus it is all poser nonsense, the words exist, but the way he uses them is unusual, not normally used, or the context does not fit, has no meaning.
I can see your problem ... he basically tries very hard to be funny by using some kind of generic slang, unusual terms and stupid pronunciation ... it's the usual 'style' of that magazine.
Dieter
He is basically some guy who was given a demo and describes what he sees while utilizing a list of key points he got from bc.

Yeah, my feeling as well ... it's all so congruent with the cr** bc normally feeds us, there must be some kind of 'hey you get an alpha preview, but don't speak badly of it' agreement.

Dieter
Well, and I hope you don't need to empty 30 round magazines from 10 feet way at each other with no visible effect.

Hope that as well, having seen those fights, WH40k has higher hit rates.

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Re: What is JA2 Reloaded[message #276949] Thu, 31 March 2011 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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"WH40k has higher hit rates."

lol true story ...

*edit*

man i cannot emphasize enough that Plan&Go / SPM is such an ridicules bad system, makes so much bad gameplay, like exactly in this video. Mercs standing still shooting each other 10m, yeah party .... zzzZZ

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