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Hi everybody, I'm back after 10 years of absence (although I've kept playing JA2 1.13, about once a year).
The JA2 1.13 version I use is now 10 years old (Build 3356!), so today I decided to look for a newer one, and found a lot of dead (or outdated) stuff out there. To my relief this place is still alive and kicking! Man, have I spent time here...

Would somebody be so kind to tell me where can I find the latest/best JA2 1.13 version out there?
Also, I found hints and rumors about a Linux version. Does one really exist?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361083 is a reply to message #361082] Tue, 01 September 2020 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This link may be useful:
https://github.com/aimnas/1.13_starter_documentation



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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361084 is a reply to message #361083] Tue, 01 September 2020 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Great, thanks a lot! This information should figure somewhere easy to find around here (sticky?).

BTW I did make several web searches on "JA2 1.13" (& variants) without finding your site, at least not in the first 2-3 pages. Maybe placing "Jagged Alliance 2" or "JA2" in the page title would help?

Please note the links for the "old stable release" (Build 7609) at the old Wiki are dead. One can still get the 7435 version, but the download links to the "7609 update" are both dead. Is there anywhere else where one could find that "7609 update"?

Anyway, thanks again.

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361085 is a reply to message #361084] Tue, 01 September 2020 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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7435->7609 update:
https://storage.rcs-rds.ro/links/4729f8d6-f44b-42b7-aa3e-e0ddc6deead6?path=%2FJA_2%2Fv1.13_Releases%2FOfficial%2FEnglish %2Fv7435%2FUpdate

That site is also now official 1.13 archive for various mods, tools etc...

If you are interested in most recent 1.13 development builds, you can find them here:
https://jenkins.maeyanie.com/job/JA2%20SCI/



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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361086 is a reply to message #361085] Tue, 01 September 2020 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sevenfm wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 17:10
That site is also now official 1.13 archive for various mods, tools etc...

Well, as I said, that information should be somewhere easy to find, in case you're not around to help...
I think JA2 1.13 is an exceptional project, well worth to be better known, but if even an old veteran like me can be confused, imagine what happens to newbies.


sevenfm wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 17:10
If you are interested in most recent 1.13 development builds
No thanks, I'm no developer, most I do is modding stuff... big grin


While I have you - About the SCI versions, I guess they aren't all equal. There are probably more or less stable ones (simple bug fix releases) and more "dangerous" ones (full of brand new features and bugs). Is there anywhere a changelog where one can find this information?

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361087 is a reply to message #361086] Tue, 01 September 2020 20:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Changelog is in official 1.13 development svn:
https://ja2svn.mooo.com/source/ja2/trunk/GameSource/ja2_v1.13
You can also find it in text form on my google drive (Trunk link in the sig).

Usually you need to use the most recent SCI since it has most bugfixes, unless you want a specific version for particular mod.

My personal opinion is that 7609 with my +fix or +AI exes should be the most stable and well tested version.

You can also ask questions on 1.13 discord.
https://discord.com/invite/Ku2H9Hf



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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361088 is a reply to message #361087] Tue, 01 September 2020 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sevenfm wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 19:50
Changelog is in official 1.13 development svn
Uh-oh, all I see there is what I suppose is the game's source code. Which file is a (human-readable) change log?

=== Edit:
Never mind, found it in your Google drive. So am I right that consecutive builds have only minimal changes? That's good news (sort of) for it means more/longer compatibility (see below).


sevenfm wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 19:50
Usually you need to use the most recent SCI since it has most bugfixes
I'm looking for a trustworthy version, because if I start modding, I will stay on it for a while. Like, years.

On the other hand there are mods I'd like to play. For instance, I had played UC on vanilla JA2 back when it was released, and I'd love to try the JA2-1.13 version. Now your page states "Urban Chaos-1.13 [...], supports r8675". How can I know if it still runs with the latest r8796 short of trying (and maybe only finding it's impossible in mid-game)?


sevenfm wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 19:50

My personal opinion is that 7609 with my +fix or +AI exes should be the most stable and well tested version.
I was initially heading for that one, because apparently several mods require it. But UC requires a later build. Choices, choices. sorry


sevenfm wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 19:50
You can also ask questions on 1.13 discord.
Thanks but no, the forum is good enough for me. Besides, fragmentation of information is a problem.
For instance, I think this thread will keep helping people coming here, at least until it starts to be too outdated.


[Updated on: Tue, 01 September 2020 22:07]

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361098 is a reply to message #361088] Thu, 03 September 2020 07:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kurt wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 21:54

On the other hand there are mods I'd like to play. For instance, I had played UC on vanilla JA2 back when it was released, and I'd love to try the JA2-1.13 version. Now your page states "Urban Chaos-1.13 [...], supports r8675". How can I know if it still runs with the latest r8796 short of trying (and maybe only finding it's impossible in mid-game)?
Unfortunately I don't think there really are any other ways to check other than reading through the SVN changelog or trying the newer build out. There are a good number of revisions that introduced changes in GameDir files so those are also needed in addition to the newer .exe file. Most of the recent changes have either been bugfixes, seven's AI and sound improvements or related to logical bodytypes so a majority of the revision updates should pose no trouble, but I doubt it'll be just "drag and drop and play" type of thing.

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361099 is a reply to message #361088] Thu, 03 September 2020 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You need to install TortoiseSVN if you want to read svn development log.

There is Urban Chaos version for 7609 (for example, see one in my unofficial 7609 modpack), it's older than the most current UC, but it works well with 7609 and +AI.

The problem with 1.13 is there is no "modding version", you either use development branch which means you constantly update exe and gamedir to new features which can radically change everything sometimes or introduce new bugs, or you use one of the older revisions like 7609 or one of development revisions which you personally like which means you live with the bugs that no one will ever fix and you miss some new cool features like LOBOT animations.

One possible exception is my 7609+AI which I try to update with bugfixes at least and keep it compatible with 7609 mods without changes, but this version also will live as long as I support it, also it has some changes to stock 1.13 which not everyone likes and I plan to also introduce some changes in game mechanics which will also change the game balance. There are two mods for 7609+AI which are developed for quite a long time already - Arulco Vacations here and Soldiers of Anarchy on Russian forum.

The reason to use Discord is that you can at least hope to get answer there, because this forum's organization is complete crap, for example I totally missed your reply to my post for some reason, if not Asdow's post I would never reply to you.



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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361102 is a reply to message #361088] Thu, 03 September 2020 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kurt wrote on Tue, 01 September 2020 21:54

On the other hand there are mods I'd like to play. For instance, I had played UC on vanilla JA2 back when it was released, and I'd love to try the JA2-1.13 version. Now your page states "Urban Chaos-1.13 [...], supports r8675". How can I know if it still runs with the latest r8796 short of trying (and maybe only finding it's impossible in mid-game)

To add to this more, I just noticed tengu_1's post in another thread saying he played the UC-1.13 campaign completely through with 8796 without issues.
http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=24478&goto=361003&#msg_361003

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361103 is a reply to message #361098] Thu, 03 September 2020 18:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Asdow wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:10
Unfortunately I don't think there really are any other ways to check other than reading through the SVN changelog or trying the newer build out.
Well, as I already stated I'm no developer, I just have a general idea of what you guys are talking about. I can (and did) read the changelog, but I can't be sure to know if a given change is a deal breaker or not important.
Now as about trying out, that I can do! big grin

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361104 is a reply to message #361099] Thu, 03 September 2020 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sevenfm wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:29
You need to install TortoiseSVN if you want to read svn development log.
No thanks, that's way beyond my pay grade... happy


sevenfm wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:29
There is Urban Chaos version for 7609
Yes, that's the one I had in mind (mostly because it's the only one I know about).


sevenfm wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:29
The problem with 1.13 is there is no "modding version"
Yes, I'm aware of that, it has always been so.
But as long as the changes are just minor I can always port stuff to the latest version. I'm actually planning to port my old ancient mod to the latest version (or die trying...). It will require a complete overhaul, especially concerning game balance, but I think it's doable.


sevenfm wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:29
LOBOT
What's that? I saw mentions in the changelog.


sevenfm wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:29
I totally missed your reply to my post for some reason
Yes, apparently notifications don't work, although the forum does send out emails, and I do receive them. Oh well, if that's the worst problem about 1.13 everything is peachy...

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361105 is a reply to message #361102] Thu, 03 September 2020 18:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Asdow wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 16:10
To add to this more, I just noticed tengu_1's post in another thread saying he played the UC-1.13 campaign completely through with 8796 without issues.
http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=24478&goto=361003&#msg_361003
Thanks, that's excellent news!
It would be even better if the next poster in that thread didn't stumble upon a "Runtime Error: Assertion Failure"...
But well, I've been playing computer games for some 30+ years now (yes, before DOS), and I know death, bugs and taxes are inevitable. I might have more luck (although that doesn't really look like me). *shrug*

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361121 is a reply to message #361104] Fri, 04 September 2020 19:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kurt wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 18:34

sevenfm wrote on Thu, 03 September 2020 06:29
LOBOT
What's that? I saw mentions in the changelog.
http://thepit.ja-galaxy-forum.com/index.php?t=msg&th=24337&start=0&

A layered rendering and animation system which allows us to show eg. backpacks on the mercs.

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Re: Newest version to date (2020)?[message #361123 is a reply to message #361121] Sat, 05 September 2020 17:45 Go to previous message
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thumbs up is all I can say...

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