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Split the 'Ranger' trait[message #339683]

Thu, 26 February 2015 23:14

Flugente

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The new trait system is excellent - no question about that. What seems a bit odd to me though is the 'Hunter/Ranger' trait. The reason is that while all other weapon classes have traits dedicated to them (Auto weapons, Heavy weapons, Sniper, Gunslinger, Hand to hand), Ranger is a mixture. It's mostly shotguns, a bit of rifles and then survival stuff:

+%d%s CtH with Rifles
+%d%s CtH with Shotguns
-%d%s APs needed to pump Shotguns
-%d%s APs to fire Shotguns
Adds %d more aim click(s) for Shotguns
+%d%s group traveling speed between sectors if traveling by foot
+%d%s group traveling speed between sectors if traveling in vehicle (except helicopter)
-%d%s less energy spent for travelling between sectors
-%d%s weather penalties
+%d%s camouflage effectiveness
-%d%s worn out speed of camouflage by water or time
Can spot tracks up to %d tiles away

I would really like to divide this trait. Currently, the trait doesn't really fit anybody - mercs like Shadow, Monk and Spooky clearly have it so they get the survival stuff - but there is no justification why these mercs would be exceptionally good with shotguns, or even prefer them. Leech clearly has it for the gun part, no reason for him to be a survival expert. Same for others who get it mostly for the shotgun part.

The survival stuff would be justifiable as a minor trait of its own I think - Survival. We could add -x% food/drink consumption and +x% physical/disease resistance for more flavour.

The weapon part is a bit more trickier. Mostly because shotguns suck ingame. Their damage might be high, but the AP cost is extremely high. If your merc is also moving in his turn, you won't get more than one aimed shot off. If that one does not kill the target (which happens later on with better armour), you're dead. Couple that with bad accuracy and low range, and you have a very bad gun. Suppression is high, but I want my guns to kill people, not temporarily annoy them. Lockbusting is useless, as any gun can do that. A simple M4 outclasses a shotgun in almost every scenario.
Anyway, we could just leave the current gun-stuff as it is, but that will make the trait pretty bad, especially for a two-stage trait.

One idea would be to split the gun part into two separate one-stage traits: Rifle proficiency and Shotgun proficiency. This would solve all character issues. Mercs would be able to do what they should and not get illogical boni.

The rifle trait would obviously be a bit... empty. Hmm. Who uses rifles ingame later on? Not ARs and not SRs, just rifles? Are there even decent ones? I guess the Beowulf is there... the Garand, Mosin-Nagant and K-98 are inferior to the 7.62 battle rifles... and there are the rocket rifles, but let's not go there. Is there anything that would be able to make rifles stand out lategame?

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		Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Thu, 26 February 2015 23:14
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 10:17
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Fri, 27 February 2015 13:23
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 16:14
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Deleted. on Fri, 27 February 2015 16:32
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 18:40
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Fri, 27 February 2015 22:32
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Fri, 27 February 2015 23:25
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:04
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Cardinal on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:17
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: edmortimer on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:28
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:43
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Cardinal on Sat, 28 February 2015 00:58
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 01:35
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Sat, 28 February 2015 12:20
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Cardinal on Sat, 28 February 2015 14:36
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Flugente on Sat, 28 February 2015 16:12
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Sat, 28 February 2015 19:10
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: CVB on Mon, 28 March 2016 18:54
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: silversurfer on Mon, 28 March 2016 19:26
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Julix on Fri, 03 June 2016 01:12
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: baraba on Thu, 03 September 2020 21:57
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Colt 45 Peacemaker on Mon, 06 February 2023 14:58
		Re: Split the 'Ranger' trait By: Warp_2568 on Sun, 12 February 2023 06:31

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