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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #247723] Thu, 25 March 2010 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IF bitcomposer did their research they would have found the bears pit.
And seen that the community was very talented at mods etc, and would make it easy on us..

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #247728] Thu, 25 March 2010 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A bunch of us talked about this on IRC yesterday, it really depends how much money the game is supposed to make. I am on IRC right now if you want to chat. Smile

We estimated (based on pure speculation and current beer consumption) that a turn based game (smart pause to be precise) might make around 4 million in profit if every single JA2 player bought it (which is unlikely). For everyone with some background in venture capital, using a (low) 1:20 ratio, this means seed moeny of 200,000 USD, which gets you 4 people for 6 months, not enough to make a game like this.

Then we (had some more beer and) tried to figure it out the other way around, how many people do you need to make a game like this. If I recall this correctly (I was slightly fuzzy at this time already), you need somewhere between 15 and 40 people for about 12 to 18 months. Even if we reduce the seed money ratio (for an established company with existing capital to burn) to 1:5, JA3 would need to sell around 400,000 copies in the first year.

Even if we were grossly wrong (probably true), this exercise helped us to see that companies nowadays have some tough constraints to work out. It feels like the key to a successful JA3 will be to make a game which will be interesting to a very large group of people (possibly more than the JA fan community currently has around the planet).

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #247752] Thu, 25 March 2010 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It feels like the key to a successful JA3 will be to make a game which will be interesting to a very large group of people (possibly more than the JA fan community currently has around the planet).


And thus we have Hired Guns , which isn't very good .

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #247863] Fri, 26 March 2010 13:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can't help but mention that having the bear pit community right on it to create mods would make stuff more interesting quickly.
But if it's not interesting to us, you can't really expect that, ne?

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #247865] Fri, 26 March 2010 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We estimated (based on pure speculation and current [color:#FF0000]beer[/color] consumption) that a turn based game (smart pause to be precise) might make around 4 million in profit if every single JA2 player bought it [...]
Then we (had some more [color:#FF0000]beer[/color] and) tried to figure it out the other way around, how many people do you need to make a game like this. If I recall this correctly (I was slightly fuzzy at this time already), you need somewhere between 15 and 40 people for about 12 to 18 months.




we should rename to beerpit

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #247870] Fri, 26 March 2010 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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we should rename to beerpit


Hah ! Seconded .... :cheers:

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #247941] Sat, 27 March 2010 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well nobody aims to capture ONLY the hardcore players.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248112] Mon, 29 March 2010 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Shanga,

how's the interview coming along?

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248118] Mon, 29 March 2010 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When there is an answer , we'll hear it here first , be patient .

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248228] Wed, 31 March 2010 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seeing great stuff done by that company. Great story telling capacities, working with great artists. Cinematic scenes...
Already dreaming of being in an environment actually looking like the hiring scenes in Prague. Or better.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248241] Wed, 31 March 2010 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seeing great stuff done by that company. Great story telling capacities, working with great artists. Cinematic scenes...
Already dreaming of being in an environment actually looking like the hiring scenes in Prague. Or better.


Cool

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248481] Sun, 04 April 2010 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GOOD NEWS - GERMAN STUDIO WILL DEVELOP NEW JAGGED ALLIANE 3

Eschborn/Frankfurt, March 09, 2010:
Preliminary development work has started on Jagged Alliance 3, the new episode in the internationally successful Jagged Alliance series. The German publisher bitComposer Games has secured the full rights to the license from Strategy First, and will publish this famous strategy brand with roleplay elements worldwide. The aim is to preserve the popular basic concept of the previous versions and place it in a contemporary setting. A specific release date for Jagged Alliance 3 has not yet been confirmed, but a 2011 release is anticipated.

"Although Jagged Alliance 2 was published over ten years ago now, the game still represents a milestone in the genre and boasts a huge following of loyal fans," says Wolfgang Duhr, Managing Director of bitComposer Games. "We are delighted to acquire this classic game for bitComposer, and want to continue the success of the previous titles in the series, while giving the new version a contemporary look, bearing in mind the strong features of its predecessors".

The Jagged Alliance series has received numerous national and international awards since its first appearance in 1994. The second part in particular, Jagged Alliance 2, released in 1999, won a host of accolades and gained the highest plaudits from the global games media. Jagged Alliance 3 will build on the strengths of its famous predecessors and, set against the backdrop of a gripping story, will again deliver the much-loved combo of turn-based strategy gameplay with roleplay elements.

Recently there has been conflicting information about further planned releases in the Jagged Alliance series. Apart from a Social Network based game under development by Strategy First, the acquisition of the full IP rights by bitComposer Games will now serve to clarify the situation and will lay the foundations for future development work under the license.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248487] Sun, 04 April 2010 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cdudau
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GOOD NEWS - GERMAN STUDIO WILL DEVELOP NEW JAGGED ALLIANE 3

Eschborn/Frankfurt, March 09, 2010:
Preliminary development work has started on Jagged Alliance 3, the new episode in the internationally successful Jagged Alliance series. The German publisher bitComposer Games has secured the full rights to the license from Strategy First, and will publish this famous strategy brand with roleplay elements worldwide. The aim is to preserve the popular basic concept of the previous versions and place it in a contemporary setting. A specific release date for Jagged Alliance 3 has not yet been confirmed, but a 2011 release is anticipated.

"Although Jagged Alliance 2 was published over ten years ago now, the game still represents a milestone in the genre and boasts a huge following of loyal fans," says Wolfgang Duhr, Managing Director of bitComposer Games. "We are delighted to acquire this classic game for bitComposer, and want to continue the success of the previous titles in the series, while giving the new version a contemporary look, bearing in mind the strong features of its predecessors".

The Jagged Alliance series has received numerous national and international awards since its first appearance in 1994. The second part in particular, Jagged Alliance 2, released in 1999, won a host of accolades and gained the highest plaudits from the global games media. Jagged Alliance 3 will build on the strengths of its famous predecessors and, set against the backdrop of a gripping story, will again deliver the much-loved combo of turn-based strategy gameplay with roleplay elements.

Recently there has been conflicting information about further planned releases in the Jagged Alliance series. Apart from a Social Network based game under development by Strategy First, the acquisition of the full IP rights by bitComposer Games will now serve to clarify the situation and will lay the foundations for future development work under the license.



and.......

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248538] Mon, 05 April 2010 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well Shanga, already any reaction from the developer/publisher?

could you perhaps release your sent email here for the public to see? just so we know what you

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248553] Mon, 05 April 2010 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Mauser, The moderators have access to the email, it looks very good, Shanga did well (it does contain his full name though), however I have not heard of any replies yet, so none of the dudes answered Shanga as far as I know.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248554] Mon, 05 April 2010 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Busy having patience........ Smile
Fear not Mauser , as soon as anything happens , Shanga will let us all know . :computer3:

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248587] Mon, 05 April 2010 22:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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very well then. but if there is no reply in one month or so, i expect Shanga to get into nagging mode and don

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248773] Thu, 08 April 2010 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Atm it appears a few independant studios are submitting proposals to the new IP holder and no deals have been sealed yet. So it seems it's a bit early for interviews.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #248791] Thu, 08 April 2010 16:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Atm it appears a few independant studios are submitting proposals to the new IP holder and no deals have been sealed yet. So it seems it's a bit early for interviews.


interesting! well then, how about we form our own "bear

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249054] Sun, 11 April 2010 20:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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very well then. but if there is no reply in one month or so, i expect Shanga to get into nagging mode and don

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249055] Sun, 11 April 2010 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lets do this!

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249059] Sun, 11 April 2010 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lets do this!

:sick:

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249095] Mon, 12 April 2010 02:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If they make a paypal account I would donate some cash ... and later on I get the game for free ... let's say prepaid game!
or.....
later on you get burned.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249139] Mon, 12 April 2010 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Mauser,

I posted a little summary of an IRC cheat we had a few weeks ago here.

Developing software is quite a bit of work, there is an overview of the different approaches on how to do that and what all the things are which need to happen here.

Developing games is expensive and risky. If 2% of 200,000 JA fans give $10 USD each, we have $40,000 USD, not enough to pay one senior programmer for half a year in the US.

However we constantly see individuals who can pull this off on their own, for example Niels Bauer wrote the game Smugglers essentially by himself. However version 1 was really, really basic (and relatively buggy), he now released version 4, which is relatively stable and plays decent (with some amount of depth to the game).

I feel the way to do this nowadays is through SourceForge. There are about 200,000 projects currently being worked on (if I counted this right, which I probably didn't). The most popular ones are file sharing software (no surprise) and the most active project is something called Crystal Space 3D SDK.

I believe all the SourceForge stuff is free (could be wrong) and *everyone* on the planet can contribute to the code, graphics, sounds etc. However I have no way how this is coordinated, meaning how the direction of a Jagged Alliance game can be influenced (however many others will know about this).

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249148] Mon, 12 April 2010 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As it's German, the country / play area will likely be Poland , expect lots of tanks......
Very Happy



That's racist! Very Happy

I'm still sceptical.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249214] Mon, 12 April 2010 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Part of me is happy and a part of me says, 'Here we go again'. I will however wish them lots of luck and success. They are going to need it.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249229] Tue, 13 April 2010 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Subject: Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer

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As it's German, the country / play area will likely be Poland , expect lots of tanks......




That's racist!

Nah , it's historical....... :whistle:

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249230] Tue, 13 April 2010 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, the important thing is that someone is doing something. Or at least planning to...
Can't get this news out of my system these days.

Hopefully Shanga will manage to get something on how they plan to do it, how they conceive it, on what kind of engine will they work. Or at least a smile and an "it will be beautiful, we're working on it already".

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249240] Tue, 13 April 2010 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i'd give them at least a chance.
what can we lose? if they finally release it, and it's good enough, hey good job guys!
otherwise, we will still have the forum, the mods, and all the members of the board to go on as in the last......... how many years???

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249466] Fri, 16 April 2010 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it would be nice if something were to happen. however for me updating the 1.13 mod every 2 years or so is like a new game each time, so I'm not that fussed.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249561] Sat, 17 April 2010 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it's German

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249567] Sat, 17 April 2010 21:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow Gorro, good find, this is very detailed!!

Edit: We need to translate this, will do tomorrow and post here.

[Updated on: Sat, 17 April 2010 21:41] by Moderator

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249573] Sat, 17 April 2010 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Translation: Exclusive interview in English

Quick excerpt:

PC Games: "In which direction you want to develop your Jagged Alliance 3? Will it be a full price game? Or are there plans for a browser game version, a F2P title or something similar?"

Barnickel: "The Jagged Alliance-license course there are many interesting possibilities. In the first step we want to mark Jagged Alliance in three different directions to develop:

The core is here, certainly the full-price product for PC Jagged Alliance 3 form, which absorbs the power of JA2 and it consistently further developed. This is not excluded that the title will also appear on multiple platforms. In Jagged Alliance 3, we basically want the proven gameplay of Jagged Alliance pick up 2nd Where its predecessor was good, will be built out and improved. There, where the predecessor had weaknesses, a suitable alternative will be sought. And where its predecessor left to be desired, new, exciting details will be added. The aim is that the game of the series remains true to his fans not disappointed, while it is simultaneously accessible to new players.

Furthermore, there should be a remake of the classic Jagged Alliance 2 with new technology and graphics based on the code of Jagged Alliance 2 is the only version of this new technology and modern appearance preserved.

Parallel to the remake, we are working on a browser game concept. " We think that Jagged Alliance is ideal for a F2P game in the area. "

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249593] Sun, 18 April 2010 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Since Logi didn't post this one yet I am including it here.

Original in German

Google Translation of the print version

Quick excerpt:

"Strategy First works in parallel on a version for Facebook



In addition to the now announced sequel, Strategy First is working with Nvinium Games to release Jagged Alliance as an application similar to Mafia Wars on Facebook."

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249600] Sun, 18 April 2010 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The core is here, certainly the full-price product for PC Jagged Alliance 3 form, which absorbs the power of JA2 and it consistently further developed. This is not excluded that the title will also appear on multiple platforms. In Jagged Alliance 3, we basically want the proven gameplay of Jagged Alliance pick up 2nd Where its predecessor was good, will be built out and improved. There, where the predecessor had weaknesses, a suitable alternative will be sought. And where its predecessor left to be desired, new, exciting details will be added. The aim is that the game of the series remains true to his fans not disappointed, while it is simultaneously accessible to new players.


That sounds like BE5 or Hired Guns type of game .


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Furthermore, there should be a remake of the classic Jagged Alliance 2 with new technology and graphics based on the code of Jagged Alliance 2 is the only version of this new technology and modern appearance preserved.


This sounds like 1.13 / 1.14 .


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Parallel to the remake, we are working on a browser game concept. " We think that Jagged Alliance is ideal for a F2P game in the area. "



Hmmm .1 or 2 ?

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249602] Sun, 18 April 2010 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Strategy First works in parallel on a version for Facebook"

More fame for JA, more modders for us Smile Good thing.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249620] Sun, 18 April 2010 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cdudau
Can you imagine Jagged Alliance 2 updated? WOWWWWW........

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249623] Sun, 18 April 2010 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, it makes sense that they would make a version for the PC, console, and phones. I can see people with iPads playing the original JA2 too. They sound like they have a plan so now its a matter of wait and see what happens. They also seem to understand that they need to do a good job so as not to mess up the JA image and the upset the loyal fans that have continued to play the game. Again, I wish them much luck. I really do hope they can pull it off and do it right.

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249625] Sun, 18 April 2010 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well all I can say for JA2 updated is that I hope they put back in the ability to hire people who have fatal confrontations with others in the squad (Reuban vs Ivan from JA DG). With JA2 I think they went a little soft Wink

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Re: Good news or not? Ja3 beeing developed by bitcomposer[message #249633] Sun, 18 April 2010 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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very interesting!

i just realized that my new home will be in easy commuting distance to that companys headquarters, so maybe i should write them an email and offer my humble assistance in all things Jagged Alliance?

after all, i am a very experienced long time JA fan (in fact, from the very time the first demo for JA came out) and active member in the international fan and modding community with pretty good insight on what the community wants and expects.

well, wish me luck guys!

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